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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">don't want to fuel this too much</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">regarding costs, it might be worth to
consider long term costs as well, such as replacement costs,
increased (?) monitoring / staff time, alcohol costs to compensate
evaporation losses etc.; have no experience with these
polycarbonate costs, but European collections currently have to
cope with the end of the life span of famous Copenhagen jars, and
even though they have been a cost efficient alternative, the costs
to replace them turn out to be exorbitant. What would be relevant
to figure out which jars can be produced locally (instead of
shipping them round the globe).</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Shelving tall jars vs. specimens in
tanks: both have advantages and disadvantages, and tanks usually
require specific areas and rarely can be accommodated in normal
storage rooms.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Safety: these huge polycarbonate
containers will surely be damaged if they slip off shelves during
an earthquake and hit the ground; in this case, it would be more
reasonable to opt for the UN-rated drums, because their chemical
and physical endurance has been tested and is guaranteed - which
is not the case for food containers.</div>
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<p>Best wishes</p>
<p>Dirk<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 08.08.2019 um 20:51 schrieb Bentley,
Andrew Charles:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Numerous
reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Shipping cost for us would be
exorbitant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Shelving – we do not have spaces that
can accommodate such large (tall) jars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D">Safety – I can only imagine how
unstable one of those would be in pour part of the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We mainly use
stainless steel tanks for long term storage of large
specimens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Andy Bentley<br>
Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>
University of Kansas<br>
Biodiversity Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-AU">Dyche Hall<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">1345 Jayhawk Boulevard</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> Nhcoll-l
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu"><nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Neumann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">... just out of curiosity:<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">the largest polycarbonate container, item
107-1222, 14,78'' x 15'' (roughly 37 x 38 cm ) costs 328.90
U$ (293,45 EUR). The borosilicate jar I recently purchased
to accommodate our new black-tip reef shark measures 120 cm
x 20 cm (approx. 47'' x 7,90'') and costs 291,00 EUR.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apparently the polycarbonate containers
are more expensive then high quality borosilicate jars. Why
not preferring borosilicate ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dirk<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 08.08.2019 um 17:03 schrieb Bentley,
Andrew Charles:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tonya</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Our
herpetology collection has been experimenting with these
in the collection for short to medium term storage. They
seal fairly well, are relatively inexpensive (and light to
ship) and have the added benefit of being clear so that
you can see contents and fluid levels. They come in
various sizes and tack fairly well:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.universityproducts.com%2Fpolycarbonate-storage-pails-for-wet-collections.html&data=02%7C01%7Cabentley%40ku.edu%7Ca6f4b92eb6ad4adb1d8908d71c30f48a%7C3c176536afe643f5b96636feabbe3c1a%7C0%7C0%7C637008869294674429&sdata=iz95TVBeQvoN4GASeO52hPKMKHaKo8lyW7fkaWmzz%2F8%3D&reserved=0"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope that
helps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-AU"> A :
A : A :<br>
}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°><br>
V V V<br>
Andy Bentley<br>
Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>
University of Kansas<br>
Biodiversity Institute</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-AU">Dyche Hall<br>
<a href="x-apple-data-detectors://9"
moz-do-not-send="true">1345 Jayhawk Boulevard</a><br>
<a href="x-apple-data-detectors://9"
moz-do-not-send="true">Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561</a><br>
<a href="x-apple-data-detectors://9"
moz-do-not-send="true">USA</a><br>
<br>
Tel: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-3863" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(785) 864-3863</a><br>
Fax: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-5335" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(785) 864-5335</a> <br>
Email: <a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">abentley@ku.edu</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-AU"><a
href="http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <a
href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] buckets for specimens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">I need to order some
buckets for storing larger fluid-preserved specimens in.
Eventually we would like to go to stainless steel
containers, but right now that’s not an option…. Anyway, I
am wondering if polypropylene buckets are acceptable in
terms of archival quality (I realise they will eventually
fail) and if not, if anyone has a better recommendation
for a relatively cheap solution?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><br>
Tonya</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Tel: 089 / 8107-111<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>*new email: neumann(a)snsb.de*<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Postanschrift:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Zoologische Staatssammlung München<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Münchhausenstr. 21<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>81247 München<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Dirk Neumann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel: +49-89-8107-111<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax: +49-89-8107-300<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>*new email: neumann(a)snsb.de*<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>postal address:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Bavarian Natural History Collections<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Muenchhausenstr. 21<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>81247 Munich (Germany)<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Visit our section at:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Dirk Neumann
Tel: 089 / 8107-111
Fax: 089 / 8107-300
*new email: neumann(a)snsb.de*
Postanschrift:
Staatliche Naturwissenschaftliche Sammlungen Bayerns
Zoologische Staatssammlung München
Dirk Neumann, Sektion Ichthyologie / DNA-Storage
Münchhausenstr. 21
81247 München
Besuchen Sie unsere Sammlung:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/">http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/</a>
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Dirk Neumann
Tel: +49-89-8107-111
Fax: +49-89-8107-300
*new email: neumann(a)snsb.de*
postal address:
Bavarian Natural History Collections
The Bavarian State Collection of Zoology
Dirk Neumann, Section Ichthyology / DNA-Storage
Muenchhausenstr. 21
81247 Munich (Germany)
Visit our section at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/">http://www.zsm.mwn.de/sektion/ichthyologie-home/</a>
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