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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andy, Derek </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Mike for your remarks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On the ‘twin’ remark, DiSSCo has used various terms at moments in the past 3 years and digital twin is the present one. My personal preference is to express as follows: ‘<i>A Digital Specimen is
a digital representation on the Internet (a surrogate) corresponding to an </i></span><i>identifiable physical specimen in a natural science collection.</i>’ – a ‘Specimen on the Internet’ if you will.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The current use of the term by DiSSCo ‘twin’ reflects two aspects. One is a political dimension among the policy and workprogramme statements of the European Commission as the EC finalises and enters into the next 7-year framework programme
for research, ‘Horizon Europe’. Here among the funding instruments and desired work focuses, the idea of digital twins is prominent in the ICT domain. The other aspect relates to the fact that we can foresee entirely different kinds of usages of physical specimens
and digital specimen data in the future. There are kinds of work that can only be done based on the physical specimen, such as analysing it’s chemistry. It is clear that in the future there will be entirely new kinds of work that can’t be done on physical
specimens but which rely on the availability in digital form of data derived from and related to physical specimens – data science. To extend Derek’s reference to his offspring, the twin is not identical and it can have a different job to that of its sibling.
Extended/extendable Digital Specimen digital objects are a new abstraction and this is what the consultation is principally concerned with.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On persistent identifiers, these are not specifically a topic of the first round of consultation. It is planned to include discourse about a persistent identification scheme for Digital Specimens (DS) in a subsequent round planned for late
Spring. To be clear again, we are talking here only about persistent identification of Digital Specimen digital objects and nothing else. We are not proposing to alter or replace any scheme of identification (persistent or not) presently in use for physical
objects. PIDs for DS will sit alongside identifiers of anything else and have their own role to play.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the present decade, enabled by the Internet we will enter a new era of what it means to work with specimens. DiSSCo and BCoN are at the forefront of thinking about that. The global team behind the coming consultation wants to consult
as widely as possible, taking all views into account to build common understanding and direction of that future.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alex<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Alex Hardisty
</span><span lang="CY" style="font-size:10.0pt">Alex Hardisty</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">skype: alex.hardisty
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu>
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<b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2021 20:58<br>
<b>To:</b> Derek Sikes <dssikes@alaska.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Howe, Michael P.A. <mhowe@bgs.ac.uk>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu; Alex Hardisty <HardistyAR@cardiff.ac.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_GoBack"></a><span lang="EN-US">Agreed. However, the point here is that if you had a photo/x-ray, CT scan and vital staistics of one of your twins, you couldn’t actually get rid of the child right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Andy Bentley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">University of Kansas<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Derek Sikes <</span><a href="mailto:dssikes@alaska.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">dssikes@alaska.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Bentley <</span><a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">abentley@ku.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Howe, Michael P.A." <</span><a href="mailto:mhowe@bgs.ac.uk"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">mhowe@bgs.ac.uk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, "</span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"
<</span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, Alex Hardisty <</span><a href="mailto:HardistyAR@cardiff.ac.uk"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">HardistyAR@cardiff.ac.uk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I'll just chime in here, as a father of identical twins, that anyone who thinks the word twin means 100% identical is incorrect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">-Derek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bentley, Andrew Charles <</span><a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu"><span lang="EN-US">abentley@ku.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="m_4337678715754977047__GoBack"></a><span lang="EN-US">Hi Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I agree on both counts and have indicated as much to the DiSCCCo folks. I too was worried that the word “twin” would and could be misconstrued and that the vast
amount of additional information provided by the specimen itself would be lost or ignored. We have struggled in the past with views that once a specimen is digitized that the specimen can be discarded, and I worry that this terminology simply reinforces that
obviously incorrect connotation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">I also agree that the coining of a new term for persistent identifiers simply muddies the water even further – unless there is something unique about PIDs that
is not already conveyed by existing identifiers – which I am not sure there is. Our community has struggled with a proliferation of unique identifier systems and no coalescence around a single system that works for everyone. Adding another one to the mix
I fear will not solve the problem but rather exacerbate it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">These are both great discussion threads that I think should be mentioned during the consultation coming up. I have copied Alex Hardisty who is more involved
in the DiSCCCo process that developed both of these terms and may have more insights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Andy Bentley</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Howe, Michael P.A." <</span><a href="mailto:mhowe@bgs.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">mhowe@bgs.ac.uk</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Bentley <</span><a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">abentley@ku.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, "</span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"
<</span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: An observation on nomenclature</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">As the exciting work that many of us have been engaged in for the past 10 - 20 years, to digitze our collections and thereby
make them more accessible, grows in support, complexity and achievement, I wish to offer a warning and a comment.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I believe the term "digital twin" should be avoided and replaced by "digital proxy", "digital surrogate" or just "digital
specimen". The word twin implies that the digital specimen is absolutely identical to the physical specimen, which it is clearly not. The physical specimen can subjected to new forms of physical analysis and at greater resolutions, in a way that a digital
surrogate cannot. Also, the cynic in me knows that before long, a hard pressed administrator will argue that if we have the digital twin we don't need the physical twin.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I am also concerned with the use of the term PID - persistent identifiers. Collections have been using persistent identifiers
- unique registration numbers - for over two hundred years (and the British Geological Survey since 1849). Actionable or executable persistent identifiers are a vital tool for linking to objects, but are a very much newer concept. It seems disingenuous of
data scientists not to acknowledge two centuries of good practice (and all the hard work of curators and registrars) and instead use an acronym such as EPID or APID?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles <</span><a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">abentley@ku.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 January 2021 16:09<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Consultation on Converging Digital and Extended Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration</span><span lang="EN-US">
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><a name="m_4337678715754977047_x__GoBack"></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear all,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Over the past year several exciting conversations about the possibilities of digital representations of the billions of specimens currently held in the world’s natural history collections. Two concepts—the
</span><a href="https://dissco.tech/2020/03/31/what-is-a-digital-specimen/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#F15A29;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Digital Specimen</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
proposed by the </span><a href="https://www.dissco.eu/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#F15A29;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Distributed System of Scientific Collections</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
(DiSSCo) in Europe and the </span><a href="https://www.idigbio.org/sites/default/files/sites/default/files/BCoN/Extending-Biodiversity-Collections-Full-Report%282%29.pdf" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#F15A29;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Extended
Specimen</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> emerging from the
</span><a href="https://bcon.aibs.org/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#F15A29;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">Biological Collections Network</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> (BCoN)
in the United States—are now aligning towards a shared vision that connects all information related to a specimen, creating in effect “digital twins” for the materials held in scientific collections.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Plans for the </span><a href="https://www.allianceforbio.org/" target="_blank"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#954F72">alliance</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#954F72"> </span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">consultation
on </span><a href="https://www.allianceforbio.org/post/converging-digital-and-extended-specimens-towards-a-global-specification-for-data-integration" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#954F72">Converging Digital and Extended
Specimens: Towards a global specification for data integration</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> are progressing well.
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Beginning in February, the
</span><a href="http://bit.ly/esdsconsult" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#F15A29;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">consultation</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> will seek to engage
the wider community on a handful of topics that have technical, financial, social, governance and professional implications that require broader discussion and consensus. The consultation aims to expand participation in the process, build support for further
collaboration, identify key use cases, and develop an initial roadmap for community adoption and implementation.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GBIF, DiSCCo, iDigBio, ALA, and the Biodiversity Collections Network (BCoN), among others, invite you to register for one of the two virtual opening sessions
that will be held on February 16 by following the links below and then to become involved in the Discourse consultation discussion process.<span class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:black"><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcodemvrD0vHdXJqojDgS3KACD8bbXorB-D" target="_blank"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;text-decoration:none">Session 1 6:00 UTC</span></b></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:black"><a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkf-2rrTkjE9zZIWu18G3DgDUHAGSyELz1" target="_blank"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;text-decoration:none">Session 2 15:00 UTC</span></b></a></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The GBIF community forum </span><a href="https://discourse.gbif.org/t/about-the-digital-extended-specimen-category/2394" target="_blank" title="Original URL:
https://discourse.gbif.org/t/about-the-digital-extended-specimen-category/2394
Click to follow link."><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#954F72">landing
page for the consultation</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> is also now live. This page will hold guidance on the consultation process with links to the discussion threads. Please see links on the landing page to more background
documents. If you are a new user of the GBIF community forum you will need to register. </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The organizers are excited by the large attendance at recent related events and expect a thoughtful and robust consultation.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Andy (on behalf of BCoN)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Andy Bentley</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Ichthyology Collection Manager</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">University of Kansas</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Biodiversity Institute</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Dyche Hall</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">1345 Jayhawk Boulevard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-m4337678715754977047xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Tel: (785) 864-3863</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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