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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe I am just old and cranky, but I think there is still great utility in accession numbers and I would retain them going forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of "Robert C. Faucett" <rfaucett@uw.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Miller, Andrew Nicholas" <amiller7@illinois.edu>, Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu>, "Callomon,Paul" <prc44@drexel.edu>, "nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Robert C. Faucett" <rfaucett@uw.edu><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do that. I agree.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php" target="_blank" title="http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 8:05 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Robert C. Faucett <rfaucett@uw.edu>, Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu>, Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>, nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My apologies for not being clear. We will keep all old accession (serial) numbers in our databases. We will just stop assigning new numbers to specimens and only assign a barcode number.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Robert C. Faucett <rfaucett@uw.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu>; Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>; Miller, Andrew Nicholas <amiller7@illinois.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Barcodes and accession numbers</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Robert C. Faucett</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Ornithology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Burke Museum</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">University of Washington</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Seattle, WA 98195-3010</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Office: 206-543-1668</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Cell: 206-619-5569</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Fax: 206-685-3039</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:rfaucett@uw.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">rfaucett@uw.edu</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.washington.edu/burkemuseum__;!!DZ3fjg!o9-STt_XdpErcE1B43wGTm1VJfczfM82K6f4z8teeeiKaVxZOgIRd04hb-PwrFQKwhM$" target="_blank" title="http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.washington.edu/burkemuseum</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/ornithology/index.php__;!!DZ3fjg!o9-STt_XdpErcE1B43wGTm1VJfczfM82K6f4z8teeeiKaVxZOgIRd04hb-Pw9-VgwS4$" target="_blank" title="http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/ornithology/index.php"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/ornithology/index.php</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php__;!!DZ3fjg!o9-STt_XdpErcE1B43wGTm1VJfczfM82K6f4z8teeeiKaVxZOgIRd04hb-PwZxmaagA$" target="_blank" title="http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/collections/genetic/index.php</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 24, 2021 7:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>; Miller, Andrew Nicholas <amiller7@illinois.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Barcodes and accession numbers</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">In my training the term “accession number” historically applied in herbarium situations meant the same as the unique “catalog number” in non-herbarium collections.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">I might be wrestling with the same issue in coming years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">Thomas Labedz, Univ. Nebr. State Museum <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Behalf Of </b>Callomon,Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Miller, Andrew Nicholas <amiller7@illinois.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Barcodes and accession numbers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Accession codes, as Andy Bentley points out, normally record the legal transfer of rights to a defined collection or batch of specimens. However, what you mean might be closer to a “serial number”. It is advantageous for every lot to
have a unique serial number in the database, as catalog numbers can be duplicates. We have about 15,000 duplicate pairs of catalog numbers out of just over 500,000 records in the Malacology database. Each record has a unique serial number, though, so the pairs
don’t cause sorting anomalies or other such problems. They will get resolved one by one…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA<br>
<i><a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">prc44@drexel.edu</span></a> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Miller, Andrew Nicholas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Barcodes and accession numbers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:white">Now that we are barcoding our herbarium specimens, we are thinking about dropping our historical method of assigning internal accession nu</span>mbers. Is there any reason to keep both
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Mycologist and Director of the Herbarium/Fungarium</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Illinois Natural History Survey</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">1816 South Oak Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Champaign, IL 61820-6970</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">phone: (217) 244-0439</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">website: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwwx.inhs.illinois.edu-252Fresearch-252Fpi-252Familler-26data-3D04-257C01-257Cprc44-2540drexel.edu-257Ca9ca20d1ebbb42c2e8e008d8d8d5baae-257C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6-257C0-257C1-257C637497759761413894-257CUnknown-257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0-253D-257C2000-26sdata-3DE7s-252F2GCv4HDChAnxRuj6uUa-252FJI0O-252BsHy67nXC9rWRsQ-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=Cu5g146wZdoqVuKpTNsYHeFX_rg6kWhlkLF8Eft-wwo&r=86XRfiEiz4xIoDMkFCb3Vg&m=ZM1d6taoLupFiDENizzyiO8EqtcyZgPoumqtoTTODVU&s=FE0WyQv7M_Sgzt9Bn3LFGUaAgEORZ2sULze6HdttBDE&e=" target="_blank">http://wwx.inhs.illinois.edu/research/pi/amiller</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Robert A. Evers Laboratory</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Room 2003</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">1909 South Oak Street, MC-652</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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