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I would also recommend the Herpetology Animal Care Guidelines put out by ASIH (American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists):</div>
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<a href="https://asih.org/animal-care-guidelines" id="LPlnk">https://asih.org/animal-care-guidelines</a> . While the later sections of this document are on care of live animals, the earlier sections are on collecting, euthanasia, museum specimen prep, etc.
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In terms of ethics, we all follow local permit guidelines (local to where we collect) and usually institutional IACUC rules (<span class="ILfuVd NA6bn"><span class="hgKElc">Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee</span></span>). These both vary greatly
 by state/country and institution, so sometimes the methods change a bit based on where you are doing the collecting and/or the research objectives. This is a good general resource on IACUC: 
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In regards to why we herpetologists collect, it is for every reason you mentioned and more, so there isn't a short easy answer there.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] collecting the amphibians and reptiles</font>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">I may refer you to the book of the dear colleague John E Simmons:
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https://www.amazon.com/Herpetological-Collecting-Collections-Management-3rd/dp/0916984907</a></div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Even though the stuff John refers to in his book has more legs and arms the fish I used to work with should have, I found this book extraordinary useful for my work and learned a lot from it.</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Hope this helps</div>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.06.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Lennart Lennuk:<br>
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Hi!</p>
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How do you collect reptiles and amphibians in your institutions?</p>
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Have you got any specific research goal or are you collecting to gather temporal and spatial data for further research questions. Also it would be helpful information how you euthanize them and in what circumstances this is ethical.</p>
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<span style="color:black">Best regards</span></p>
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