<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Thanks to Dirk for recommending <i>Herpetological Collecting and Collections Management</i>. In that book I have tried to address all the essentials for collecting, preserving, and managing a collection. Make sure you get the 3rd edition (2015) as it is the most up-to-date. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">The issue of collecting ethics is addressed in the book, but I agree with Jessa that the ASIH guidelines are important to read as well.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">One issue that is not covered in detail in
<i>Herpetological Collecting and Collections Management</i> (due to lack of space) is collecting and preserving tissue collections for molecular work. However, this topic is well covered in Tony Gamble's book, <i>Collecting and Preserving Genetic Material for Herpetological Research</i> (2014), available from <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Collecting-Preserving-Material-Herpetological-Research/dp/0916984885">https://www.amazon.com/Collecting-Preserving-Material-Herpetological-Research/dp/0916984885</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">If you have any questions about collecting, preserving, or managing specimens of reptiles and amphibians, please let me know.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">--John</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">John E. Simmons <br>Writer and Museum Consultant</span></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Museologica<br><i>and</i><br>Associate Curator of Collections<br>Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>Penn State University<br><i>and</i><br>Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia<br>Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima</span></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 7:43 AM Watters, Jessa L. <<a href="mailto:jwatters@ou.edu">jwatters@ou.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I would also recommend the Herpetology Animal Care Guidelines put out by ASIH (American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists):</div>
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<a href="https://asih.org/animal-care-guidelines" id="gmail-m_3735024297956406971LPlnk" target="_blank">https://asih.org/animal-care-guidelines</a> . While the later sections of this document are on care of live animals, the earlier sections are on collecting, euthanasia, museum specimen prep, etc.
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In terms of ethics, we all follow local permit guidelines (local to where we collect) and usually institutional IACUC rules (<span><span>Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee</span></span>). These both vary greatly
by state/country and institution, so sometimes the methods change a bit based on where you are doing the collecting and/or the research objectives. This is a good general resource on IACUC:
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In regards to why we herpetologists collect, it is for every reason you mentioned and more, so there isn't a short easy answer there.
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<div>I may refer you to the book of the dear colleague John E Simmons:
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https://www.amazon.com/Herpetological-Collecting-Collections-Management-3rd/dp/0916984907</a></div>
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<div>Even though the stuff John refers to in his book has more legs and arms the fish I used to work with should have, I found this book extraordinary useful for my work and learned a lot from it.</div>
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<div>Am 28.06.2021 um 17:40 schrieb Lennart Lennuk:<br>
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How do you collect reptiles and amphibians in your institutions?</p>
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Have you got any specific research goal or are you collecting to gather temporal and spatial data for further research questions. Also it would be helpful information how you euthanize them and in what circumstances this is ethical.</p>
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