<div dir="ltr">Not skin related, but we have a lot of old, no-data insect specimens. Most of those we keep are unique, rare or the species occur in exotic locales no longer extant/accessible. Studying mites associated with insects, I've found quite a few on these specimens. While I wouldn't describe anything new from these, they do provide a source of comparative specimens of described species. We also use these for art/scientific illustration students.<div>All the best! - Barry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:43 PM Bentley, Andrew Charles <<a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu">abentley@ku.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<li class="gmail-m_425442066663586056MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">There are all sorts of techniques like genetic, ectoparasite and environmental work that can be done on these skins that may yield data that is useful even if provenance is unknown.
I agree that you have to balance this against space and resource limitations but maybe imaging and keeping portions of the skins for genetic analysis would be doable if not keeping the whole animal<u></u><u></u></li><li class="gmail-m_425442066663586056MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">This is a slippery slope I agree and donating these to educational facilities is the way to go. There are a myriad of these in your own and area and beyond that would be grateful
for the materials. Our mission is not only to serve the research community but the educational community too. There are all sorts of negative connotations regarding deaccessioning to members of the general public etc. that I would deem fraught with issues
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On Behalf Of </b>Catherine Early (she/her)<br>
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<i>scientific</i> value to tanned hides with no data? We have many large mammal hides that were purchased from fur suppliers in the 1970's that take up a lot of room but lack data. We might keep one of each species for identification, but otherwise, they do
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centers, but there is a limited need for no data shell collections that previous curators accepted from donors, so we will likely need to look elsewhere. We know that we would be limited in what we could give to private citizens by permit restrictions for
owning wildlife parts, but we're also very concerned with devaluing public opinions of specimens by creating the impression that specimens can just be given away. I would love to hear any language or agreements you've developed to make it clear why items are
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