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    <p>Long-time list-lurker here. Just wanted to add to this thread a
      huge thank-you to everyone in collections who considers donations
      to education centers. <br>
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    <p>Many are in perpetual need as their collections are, as I like to
      say around here, doomed for the dust bin. Our limited resources
      for collections care and our habit of allowing kids to touch
      things (or take them home, as is the case with this brilliant
      shell bucket idea) translate into things not lasting anywhere near
      as long as they otherwise would.</p>
    <p>Having worked with elementary and middle school kids in
      environmental ed for a long time, I can tell you that
      incorporating a kid's sense of touch into our lessons is
      increasingly important--true for adults too. My guess is many of
      you, like me, were influenced by these kinds of
      touching/collecting experiences as a kid. Thank you all for
      remembering that and for helping to make it possible for the
      kiddos who come after you.</p>
    <p>Sue</p>
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Susan Gallagher, Chief Naturalist
Carbon County Environmental Education Center
151 East White Bear Drive
Summit Hill, PA  18250

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sugal@ptd.net">sugal@ptd.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.carboneec.org">www.carboneec.org</a></pre>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/14/2021 9:41 AM, Callomon,Paul
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        <p class="MsoNormal">We regularly receive donations of entire
          private shell collections, often after their owner dies.
          Owners or their legal representatives must sign our Deed of
          Gift, which specifies that we (a) transfers to us
          unconditional legal ownership of all material and (b) clearly
          states that we reserve the right to dispose of part or all of
          the collection in an appropriate way.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The sheer size of these collections often
          means that we will discard a considerable proportion, mainly
          because many specimens do not have a date of collection and/or
          sufficiently specific locality data to make them useful to
          science. Lacking an institutional registrar, we are able to
          separate this material before any collection cataloging takes
          place and the problem of “de-accessioning” thus does not arise
          (note the distinction between assuming legal ownership and
          accessioning).
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">We maintain several large “free shells for
          kids” buckets, from which visitors and their kids can pick out
          shells to take home. These are currently only brought out
          during specific events such as Academy Members’ Night or the
          Philadelphia Shell Show, but there is no reason why they could
          not be a permanent feature of the children’s area of the
          museum. We certainly have enough surplus shells. Occasionally
          Academy benefactors or board members will bring their kids or
          grandkids for a “behind-the-scenes-tour” and letting them
          loose with a bag in the shell buckets is a major highlight
          that all enjoy.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">In consigning material to the Free Shells
          bucket, we first remove any labels and weed out anything that
          has dangerously sharp edges or spines. Kids love picking
          shells out and filling a bag, and I know from my own
          experience that being able to take shells home at an early age
          can spark a lifelong attachment to them.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Removing the labels anonymizes the shells,
          allowing wonder and curiosity to operate properly, and avoids
          any complications that might arise if they could still be
          linked to their previous owners. If someone asks, we can
          always tell them what species a shell represents, and roughly
          where it is from, though to date very few people have.
          However, we get very positive feedback from members and
          visitors about their children’s experience with the “shell
          buckets” and donors are pleased to hear that their surplus
          material is helping inspire natural curiosity in a new
          generation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Callomon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            Malacology and General Invertebrates<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p>
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              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherine Early (she/her)<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 14, 2021 9:18 AM<br>
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              <b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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                  <i>scientific</i> value to tanned hides with no data?
                  We have many large mammal hides that were purchased
                  from fur suppliers in the 1970's that take up a lot of
                  room but lack data. We might keep one of each species
                  for identification, but otherwise, they do not belong
                  in a scientific collection (where we are constantly
                  running out of space), correct? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  developed protocols for deaccessioning no data
                  specimens into the hands of private citizens? We will
                  prioritize giving no data (former) specimens to
                  education centers, but there is a limited need for no
                  data shell collections that previous curators accepted
                  from donors, so we will likely need to look elsewhere.
                  We know that we would be limited in what we could give
                  to private citizens by permit restrictions for owning
                  wildlife parts, but we're also very concerned with
                  devaluing public opinions of specimens by creating the
                  impression that specimens can just be given away. I
                  would love to hear any language or agreements you've
                  developed to make it clear why items are deaccessioned
                  and how they differ from scientific specimens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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