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<div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">1) Collections conservation and documentation can be pursued much like archaeology: when the digging stops, you cover everything over so that when new techniques arrive, you can reopen the work.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">2) I assume you're familiar with the Lacey Act in the US: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacey_Act_of_1900" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacey_Act_of_1900</a></div><div class="">One doesn’t want to do anything that encourages the trade. Beyond that, a view of teaching collections that is often expressed is that the practice sheds a poor light on collections in general when some objects are regarded as “consumable” or expendable when others are not. I’ve worked with teaching objects for many years, and I’ve seen some specimens that were once regarded as “superfluous” become rare, and brought back into the permanent collections. From a personal perspective, I can’t help thinking of the animals that “gave up” their remains, and how best to respect that.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
James Bryant<br class="">SOJOURN Science - Nature - Education<br class="">Santa Fe, NM<br class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bryant-0598a940/" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-bryant-0598a940/</a><br class=""><br class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 14, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Erik Åhlander <<a href="mailto:Erik.Ahlander@nrm.se" class="">Erik.Ahlander@nrm.se</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Dear Catherine,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="">1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Probably they really have no data accessible, but this should be checked. They have probably not much information with present technic, but may have in the future. Many large mammals will be extinct soon.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I was first employed at the NRM in 1975. In 1974 an unknown number of specimens without labels were discarded. One specimen, a stuffed sea turtle, was rescued from the garbage container by an older collegue. He kept it as decoration at his summer house. When he retired a few years ago I suggested that he should donate it back to the museum. It was quite damaged, and it was easy to see the taxidermy technic! It is definitely from the 18<sup class="">th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>century, and possibly it should be included in the type series of Testudo mydas Linnaeus, 1758! Another specimens that seems to have been discarded at the same time was a quite ugly sort of trophy mount. Luckily it was photographed in the 1960s. It was the holotype specimen of Bos caffer Sparrman, 1779. They “had no data”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><span class="">2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: "Times New Roman";" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">No opinion. Situation in USA and Sweden is quite different.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Best wishes,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Erik Åhlander<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">vertebrate zoology and museum history<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">ZOO<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Swedish Museum of Natural History<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">PO Box 50007<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">SE-10405 Stockholm<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Sweden<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">+46 0 8 5195 4118<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">+46 0 70 225 2716<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="mailto:erik.ahlander@nrm.se" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">erik.ahlander@nrm.se</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Från:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">För<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Catherine Early (she/her)<br class=""><b class="">Skickat:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>den 14 oktober 2021 15:18<br class=""><b class="">Till:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br class=""><b class="">Ämne:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">Hello all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">I have a two-part question today:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">1) Is there any<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">scientific</i> value to tanned hides with no data? We have many large mammal hides that were purchased from fur suppliers in the 1970's that take up a lot of room but lack data. We might keep one of each species for identification, but otherwise, they do not belong in a scientific collection (where we are constantly running out of space), correct? <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">2) Have any of your institutions developed protocols for deaccessioning no data specimens into the hands of private citizens? We will prioritize giving no data (former) specimens to education centers, but there is a limited need for no data shell collections that previous curators accepted from donors, so we will likely need to look elsewhere. We know that we would be limited in what we could give to private citizens by permit restrictions for owning wildlife parts, but we're also very concerned with devaluing public opinions of specimens by creating the impression that specimens can just be given away. I would love to hear any language or agreements you've developed to make it clear why items are deaccessioned and how they differ from scientific specimens.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">Thanks</span></span><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">Catherine</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td width="505" style="width: 125.25pt; padding: 0.75pt;" class=""><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td style="padding: 0.75pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="https://url11.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1mb0cu-0001iV-3u&i=57e1b682&c=nN6ZTGyUHMecFj9WRyUXASCLoi-JDtG0DMxuds8rBxTYnu2dZ2MELJP3enwaPYNhNY_OfidPLbmnhA7791B55xKK87G3apkOOBN9oSoJgzomWaCRXoS_r9_WZEk9zJZhMp5pIUwkbck6FiocSR-n6I50otn1IeZEvVXHdfEgtQ9uP8yQqCcxZcQKrAGyPL2ulYYZOUsz281_Cm6Wx9K6kw" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0cm; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span id="cid:image001.jpg@01D7C120.CDD98D60" class=""><image001.jpg></span></span></a><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td style="padding: 0.75pt 0.75pt 0.75pt 11.25pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; line-height: 13.5pt;" class=""><strong class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(63, 63, 63);" class="">Catherine M. 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