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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Coming a bit late to this discussion and many of the important philosophical points have already been explored, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t share a relevant anecdote from recent curation in our collection here at OSU.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">We have a sizeable backlog of specimens that were labeled “no data” but kept for educational purposes back in the 70s-80s. Many of these specimens, loose and without any labels, found their way into boxes that we
use at the museum to teach freshwater mussel identification. In preparation for a recent mussel workshop, I was going through these boxes and noticed that a number of these “no data” specimens had old cursive handwriting on them, and some bore numbers that
were not from our collection. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">Given the modern digitization of collection catalogues, specimen images, and primary literature, it is often possible with a little professional/taxonomic expertise to match these “no data” specimens with high quality
data. Turns out one “no data” teaching box contained 3 missing primary type specimens of Unio sulcatus (Lea 1829), part of an exchange lot from the Smithsonian to a private collector whose collection we acquired. Another bore 2 lots of 150+ year old material
of incredibly rare <i>Epioblasma</i> species, identified by recognition of the handwriting of a particular malacologist on the shell, even without a number. Another set of “no data” specimens had burn marks on them, of a type that allowed me to match them
with lots from a particular collection that was salvaged from a fire, and for which we have the original catalogue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">In examining the broader collection of “no data” specimens I have concluded that to the curatorial staff at that time, “no data” specimens were specimens which, AT THE TIME, it was nearly impossible to match with
locality data of a certain baseline quality, even if they had decipherable handwriting or old collection numbers on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This anecdote shows a few things of importance, in my opinion:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Whether a specimen has “no data” is, and has historically been, contextually dependent. What one observer considers to be a lot without any clear provenence may to another observer
be instantly recognizable (or recognizable with some effort). In addition, some specimens without ANY information (no writing or numbers) can be identified in the right context by comparison with other material.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Matching data-less specimens to their data once they have been dissociated is an activity that exists on a
<b>continuum of effort</b>, that also depends on the knowledge / expertise of the individual attempting to do so. For the curatorial staff of the past, the idea of trying to track even specimens with prior catalogue numbers was absurd, as they would have had
to contact dozens of museums by mail or fax, or visit in person, with specimens that may turn out to not be matchable in the end. Now, it’s totally worth my time to plug an old number into iDigBio or BHL to see if there are any hits.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We cannot know now what capabilities the museum workers of the future may have for identifying the history or use-value of a specimen, nor can we know how resource-intensive it will
be for them to deploy them. Paul made this point before, but it bears repeating.
<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Of course, I’m not in favor of keeping data-less specimens and refusing to accept high quality new material on the off chance that one might be able to match up data-poor/data-less specimens with better data, when space is a concern. But
the fact that identifying the provenance of a data-less specimen is often not an
<i>impossibility</i>, but simply an inefficient use of limited curatorial time seems important to note, and should be considered when making decisions about the value of certain material.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Curator of Mollusks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The Ohio State University Museum of Biological Diversity, Columbus, OH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1. Re: no data specimens (Bentley, Andrew Charles)<br>
2. No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum (Callomon,Paul)<br>
3. Re: no data specimens (McLaren, Suzanne)<br>
4. Re: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum (Rob Robins)<br>
5. Re: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum (Callomon,Paul)<br>
6. Re: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum (Rob Robins)<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:04:16 +0000<br>
From: "Bentley, Andrew Charles" <abentley@ku.edu><br>
To: Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>,<br>
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Wendell<br>
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To be clear we are talking about specimens that have little to no data and are not well curated research collections with data. Hopefully you can find someone to take on your collection when you decide to hand it off but it worries me that you would rather
throw it in a dumpster than have it used for important K-12 or undergraduate education. Taking on these collections is a community problem that definitely needs addressing as taking on an ?orphan? collection puts a strain on the accepting institutions resources
and space and hinders their ability to take care of existing or incoming material.<br>
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Also, to be fair, the reasoning behind limiting amateur access to collections is due to data sensitivity and the ability to use that data to find paleo sites and plunder them ? not our ability to use these collections for formal and informal education.<br>
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Andy<br>
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For perhaps a different perspective: As someone who is at the stage of life of having to think about how to pass on an invertebrate paleontology collection I?ve carefully curated for 47 years, the idea that my specimens might end up in a bucket for kids to
scoop through is enough to make me want to cart the whole thing to the landfill. An added irony is knowing how hard museums, institutions, and professional associations have argued over the years for limiting/prohibiting access to fossil resources by ?amateurs?
and how many museums and universities have thousands of square feet of specimens they've ?protected? but that no one has ever looked at. Craig Childs? _Finders Keepers_ took a crack at this problem in the context of archaeology/anthropology, but I?ve yet to
see the issue taken seriously (in print) by museum professionals.<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:51:49 +0000<br>
From: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44@drexel.edu><br>
To: "Bentley, Andrew Charles" <abentley@ku.edu>, Editor FourCats Press<br>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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Several of the responses to this interesting thread point obliquely at the "graveyard conundrum". This is the famous proposal that if we continue to bury dead people in cemeteries we'll eventually run out of arable land and starve. Clearly that hasn't happened,
so at some point someone must be making judgments as to what's worth keeping and what isn't.<br>
In building a working and teachable philosophy of natural history museums we need not only to establish some general criteria for "scientific value" (both now and hypothetically) but also be clear about who gets to make those calls. Many research scientists
insist that every last microscope slide or voucher specimen from their entire careers be cataloged and that that be prioritized over acquiring and sorting the collections of "amateurs", a term at which many still sneer. Museum management, on the other hand,
can be blithely ignorant of any scheme of priorities other than things they immediately understand - famous names and "rarities".<br>
When we think about the professionalization of collections management, therefore, a point we'd do well to promote is the collections manager as arbiter of value. (That's assuming that we don't hire people as CMs who are qualified and temperamentally inclined
to be career researchers but who can't find a position at present so opt to "slum it" until something comes along).<br>
The ability to size up a body of material and see how it might fit into the grand narrative of the museum's collections is something long-term CMs can develop best, given their extensive institutional knowledge, generally collegial nature and tendency to be
objective about a specimen's "story".<br>
A last point: techniques will certainly be developed in the future that will let us do things with specimens that we can't do now. However, the questions we are asking - what is the true nature of Nature and how do we maintain a healthy relationship with it
- date back to the Greeks. A beautiful specimen with no data is unlikely ever to be of more use in answering them than a vouchered and accurately recorded collecting event.<br>
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Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:13:01 +0000<br>
From: "McLaren, Suzanne" <McLarenS@CarnegieMNH.Org><br>
To: Cody Thompson <cwthomp@umich.edu>, Thomas Labedz<br>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<br>
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Cody,<br>
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You make a good point about the vertebrate specimens that contain hazardous chemicals. One cannot just throw them into the dumpster, any more than you would want to give them to an organization that would use them as ?touchables.? It is not legal to merely
discard specimens, including taxidermy, that contain arsenic, asbestos, and other chemicals. This is a costly problem that many of us face with older taxidermy when it is no longer worthy of exhibition.<br>
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Sue<br>
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Suzanne B. McLaren (she, her, hers)<br>
Collection Manager, Section of Mammals<br>
Edward O'Neil Research Center<br>
(Carnegie Museum of Natural History Annex)<br>
5800 Baum Blvd<br>
Pittsburgh PA 15206 USA<br>
Telephone 412-665-2615<br>
Fax 412-665-2751<br>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Cody Thompson<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 1:47 PM<br>
To: Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu><br>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<br>
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Hi, Catherine! It looks like you have received a lot of good advice here. Like most, I would think twice about deaccessioning. Rather than donating, you could provide them as a permanent loan to another institution for education and outreach use.<br>
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I do have one word of caution about mammal taxidermy and fur. Depending on their vintage, arsenic and other nasty chemicals were used pretty frequently on these sorts of specimens. So, be cautious on what you donate or loan to other institutions for hands-on
educational purposes.<br>
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Good luck,<br>
Cody<br>
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Cody W. Thompson, PhD<br>
Mammal Collections Manager<br>
& Assistant Research Scientist<br>
University of Michigan<br>
Museum of Zoology<br>
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On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:33 PM Thomas Labedz <tlabedz1@unl.edu<mailto:tlabedz1@unl.edu>> wrote:<br>
A few months ago I posted a request for information about deaccessioning ?no data? taxidermy of common game birds. As a result of the informative and positive comments from this group there has been a change in plans and we are now going to hold these mounts
as best we can. In the past I have ?unmounted? smaller birds and repositioned them into study skins. Doing the same I?ll start to nibble away at these, likely beginning with the rarest. Thank you all for the advice.<br>
Thomas<br>
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Thomas E. Labedz (Mr.), Collections Manager<br>
Division of Zoology and Division of Botany<br>
University of Nebraska State Museum<br>
Morrill Hall<br>
645 North 14th Street<br>
Lincoln, NE 68588-0338<br>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of McLaren, Suzanne<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:05 PM<br>
To: Catherine Early (she/her) <cearly@smm.org<mailto:cearly@smm.org>>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<br>
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I?ll just mention one mammal species that will make anyone think twice about not maintaining what we have initially accepted ?in trust for the future?: Myotis lucifugus ? the little brown bat was the most common species of bat in eastern North America until
white-nose syndrome struck in 2005. Roosts that once hosted tens of thousands of ?little browns? have been decimated in some places to numbers in the teens. It was unthinkable 20 years ago. In this changing world, the question is what species is next?
It sounds so dramatic until you think about Myotis lucifugus.<br>
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Sue<br>
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Suzanne B. McLaren (she, her, hers)<br>
Collection Manager, Section of Mammals<br>
Edward O'Neil Research Center<br>
(Carnegie Museum of Natural History Annex)<br>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<br>
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Catherine<br>
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1. There are all sorts of techniques like genetic, ectoparasite and environmental work that can be done on these skins that may yield data that is useful even if provenance is unknown. I agree that you have to balance this against space and resource limitations
but maybe imaging and keeping portions of the skins for genetic analysis would be doable if not keeping the whole animal<br>
2. This is a slippery slope I agree and donating these to educational facilities is the way to go. There are a myriad of these in your own and area and beyond that would be grateful for the materials. Our mission is not only to serve the research community
but the educational community too. There are all sorts of negative connotations regarding deaccessioning to members of the general public etc. that I would deem fraught with issues and would not attempt.<br>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] no data specimens<br>
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Hello all,<br>
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I have a two-part question today:<br>
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1) Is there any scientific value to tanned hides with no data? We have many large mammal hides that were purchased from fur suppliers in the 1970's that take up a lot of room but lack data. We might keep one of each species for identification, but otherwise,
they do not belong in a scientific collection (where we are constantly running out of space), correct?<br>
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2) Have any of your institutions developed protocols for deaccessioning no data specimens into the hands of private citizens? We will prioritize giving no data (former) specimens to education centers, but there is a limited need for no data shell collections
that previous curators accepted from donors, so we will likely need to look elsewhere. We know that we would be limited in what we could give to private citizens by permit restrictions for owning wildlife parts, but we're also very concerned with devaluing
public opinions of specimens by creating the impression that specimens can just be given away. I would love to hear any language or agreements you've developed to make it clear why items are deaccessioned and how they differ from scientific specimens.<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:54:56 +0000<br>
From: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu><br>
To: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44@drexel.edu>, "Bentley, Andrew Charles"<br>
<abentley@ku.edu>, Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>,<br>
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Hi Paul,<br>
Sorry, that wasn't the meaning I was trying to convey. This definition of "whistling past the graveyard" I had in mind:<br>
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To proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome<br>
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Wasn't about graveyards running out of space. Was about collections running out of space whilst ignoring best practices that would help them conserve it or collections failing to introduce new procedures that would utilize existing spaces more efficiently,
prolonging the longevity of their facilities, etc.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
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Robert H. Robins<br>
Collection Manager<br>
Division of Ichthyology<br>
[FLMNH Fishes logo email small]<br>
Florida Museum<br>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> On Behalf Of Callomon,Paul<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 3:52 PM<br>
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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[External Email]<br>
Several of the responses to this interesting thread point obliquely at the "graveyard conundrum". This is the famous proposal that if we continue to bury dead people in cemeteries we'll eventually run out of arable land and starve. Clearly that hasn't happened,
so at some point someone must be making judgments as to what's worth keeping and what isn't.<br>
In building a working and teachable philosophy of natural history museums we need not only to establish some general criteria for "scientific value" (both now and hypothetically) but also be clear about who gets to make those calls. Many research scientists
insist that every last microscope slide or voucher specimen from their entire careers be cataloged and that that be prioritized over acquiring and sorting the collections of "amateurs", a term at which many still sneer. Museum management, on the other hand,
can be blithely ignorant of any scheme of priorities other than things they immediately understand - famous names and "rarities".<br>
When we think about the professionalization of collections management, therefore, a point we'd do well to promote is the collections manager as arbiter of value. (That's assuming that we don't hire people as CMs who are qualified and temperamentally inclined
to be career researchers but who can't find a position at present so opt to "slum it" until something comes along).<br>
The ability to size up a body of material and see how it might fit into the grand narrative of the museum's collections is something long-term CMs can develop best, given their extensive institutional knowledge, generally collegial nature and tendency to be
objective about a specimen's "story".<br>
A last point: techniques will certainly be developed in the future that will let us do things with specimens that we can't do now. However, the questions we are asking - what is the true nature of Nature and how do we maintain a healthy relationship with it
- date back to the Greeks. A beautiful specimen with no data is unlikely ever to be of more use in answering them than a vouchered and accurately recorded collecting event.<br>
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Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:59:35 +0000<br>
From: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44@drexel.edu><br>
To: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu>, "Bentley, Andrew Charles"<br>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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Hi Rob,<br>
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It was purely coincidence that I also used the term "graveyard" - no reference to your posting was intended. However, the comparison is apposite; if there's one thing a collection manager should be able to overrule a researcher on, it's space management. A
CM's prime duty is to ensure the collection's long-term stability and sustainability, and hoping for a good outcome is a dereliction of that. Still, many administrators tend to look first at the person's salary rather than listening to what's being said.<br>
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Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
________________________________<br>
Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University<br>
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From: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:55 PM<br>
To: Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
Subject: RE: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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External.<br>
Hi Paul,<br>
Sorry, that wasn't the meaning I was trying to convey. This definition of "whistling past the graveyard" I had in mind:<br>
<br>
To proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome<br>
<br>
Wasn't about graveyards running out of space. Was about collections running out of space whilst ignoring best practices that would help them conserve it or collections failing to introduce new procedures that would utilize existing spaces more efficiently,
prolonging the longevity of their facilities, etc.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
Robert H. Robins<br>
Collection Manager<br>
Division of Ichthyology<br>
[FLMNH Fishes logo email small]<br>
Florida Museum<br>
1659 Museum Rd.<br>
Gainesville, FL 32611-7800<br>
Office: (352) 273-1957<br>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Callomon,Paul<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 3:52 PM<br>
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu<mailto:abentley@ku.edu>>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com<mailto:editor@fourcatspress.com>>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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Several of the responses to this interesting thread point obliquely at the "graveyard conundrum". This is the famous proposal that if we continue to bury dead people in cemeteries we'll eventually run out of arable land and starve. Clearly that hasn't happened,
so at some point someone must be making judgments as to what's worth keeping and what isn't.<br>
In building a working and teachable philosophy of natural history museums we need not only to establish some general criteria for "scientific value" (both now and hypothetically) but also be clear about who gets to make those calls. Many research scientists
insist that every last microscope slide or voucher specimen from their entire careers be cataloged and that that be prioritized over acquiring and sorting the collections of "amateurs", a term at which many still sneer. Museum management, on the other hand,
can be blithely ignorant of any scheme of priorities other than things they immediately understand - famous names and "rarities".<br>
When we think about the professionalization of collections management, therefore, a point we'd do well to promote is the collections manager as arbiter of value. (That's assuming that we don't hire people as CMs who are qualified and temperamentally inclined
to be career researchers but who can't find a position at present so opt to "slum it" until something comes along).<br>
The ability to size up a body of material and see how it might fit into the grand narrative of the museum's collections is something long-term CMs can develop best, given their extensive institutional knowledge, generally collegial nature and tendency to be
objective about a specimen's "story".<br>
A last point: techniques will certainly be developed in the future that will let us do things with specimens that we can't do now. However, the questions we are asking - what is the true nature of Nature and how do we maintain a healthy relationship with it
- date back to the Greeks. A beautiful specimen with no data is unlikely ever to be of more use in answering them than a vouchered and accurately recorded collecting event.<br>
<br>
Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
________________________________<br>
Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University<br>
1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA<br>
prc44@drexel.edu<<a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu">mailto:prc44@drexel.edu</a>> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170<br>
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:09:28 +0000<br>
From: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu><br>
To: "Callomon,Paul" <prc44@drexel.edu>, "Bentley, Andrew Charles"<br>
<abentley@ku.edu>, Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>,<br>
"nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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Well said, Paul!<br>
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And I'm a fan of what you and your team at ANSP did with the trays in the malacology collection to more efficiently use space while improving access to the collections. Bravo!<br>
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Wasted space abounds in collections....<br>
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Rob<br>
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Robert H. Robins<br>
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From: Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 5:00 PM<br>
To: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
Subject: RE: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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Hi Rob,<br>
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It was purely coincidence that I also used the term "graveyard" - no reference to your posting was intended. However, the comparison is apposite; if there's one thing a collection manager should be able to overrule a researcher on, it's space management. A
CM's prime duty is to ensure the collection's long-term stability and sustainability, and hoping for a good outcome is a dereliction of that. Still, many administrators tend to look first at the person's salary rather than listening to what's being said.<br>
<br>
Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
________________________________<br>
Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University<br>
1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA<br>
prc44@drexel.edu<<a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu">mailto:prc44@drexel.edu</a>> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170<br>
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From: Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu<mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu>><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:55 PM<br>
To: Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu<mailto:prc44@drexel.edu>>; Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu<mailto:abentley@ku.edu>>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com<mailto:editor@fourcatspress.com>>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
Subject: RE: No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
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External.<br>
Hi Paul,<br>
Sorry, that wasn't the meaning I was trying to convey. This definition of "whistling past the graveyard" I had in mind:<br>
<br>
To proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome<br>
<br>
Wasn't about graveyards running out of space. Was about collections running out of space whilst ignoring best practices that would help them conserve it or collections failing to introduce new procedures that would utilize existing spaces more efficiently,
prolonging the longevity of their facilities, etc.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
Robert H. Robins<br>
Collection Manager<br>
Division of Ichthyology<br>
[FLMNH Fishes logo email small]<br>
Florida Museum<br>
1659 Museum Rd.<br>
Gainesville, FL 32611-7800<br>
Office: (352) 273-1957<br>
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>> On Behalf Of Callomon,Paul<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 3:52 PM<br>
To: Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu<mailto:abentley@ku.edu>>; Editor FourCats Press <editor@fourcatspress.com<mailto:editor@fourcatspress.com>>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] No-data specimens and the Graveyard Conundrum<br>
<br>
[External Email]<br>
Several of the responses to this interesting thread point obliquely at the "graveyard conundrum". This is the famous proposal that if we continue to bury dead people in cemeteries we'll eventually run out of arable land and starve. Clearly that hasn't happened,
so at some point someone must be making judgments as to what's worth keeping and what isn't.<br>
In building a working and teachable philosophy of natural history museums we need not only to establish some general criteria for "scientific value" (both now and hypothetically) but also be clear about who gets to make those calls. Many research scientists
insist that every last microscope slide or voucher specimen from their entire careers be cataloged and that that be prioritized over acquiring and sorting the collections of "amateurs", a term at which many still sneer. Museum management, on the other hand,
can be blithely ignorant of any scheme of priorities other than things they immediately understand - famous names and "rarities".<br>
When we think about the professionalization of collections management, therefore, a point we'd do well to promote is the collections manager as arbiter of value. (That's assuming that we don't hire people as CMs who are qualified and temperamentally inclined
to be career researchers but who can't find a position at present so opt to "slum it" until something comes along).<br>
The ability to size up a body of material and see how it might fit into the grand narrative of the museum's collections is something long-term CMs can develop best, given their extensive institutional knowledge, generally collegial nature and tendency to be
objective about a specimen's "story".<br>
A last point: techniques will certainly be developed in the future that will let us do things with specimens that we can't do now. However, the questions we are asking - what is the true nature of Nature and how do we maintain a healthy relationship with it
- date back to the Greeks. A beautiful specimen with no data is unlikely ever to be of more use in answering them than a vouchered and accurately recorded collecting event.<br>
<br>
Paul Callomon<br>
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates<br>
________________________________<br>
Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University<br>
1900 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA<br>
prc44@drexel.edu<<a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu">mailto:prc44@drexel.edu</a>> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170<br>
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