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<p class="MsoNormal">Greatly agree with John that condition monitoring can be harder in compactorized shelving. However, if your containers are mostly smaller than a gallon, this system can help – it can be customized very easily to fit any existing shelf system,
and allows dozens of containers to be checked at once. It’s cheap – any sheet metal shop can make it – and pays for itself fairly quickly in terms of labor hours saved during routine condition checks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John E Simmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dirk Neumann <neumann@snsb.de><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Compactors in collections<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">The problem with any dense storage system is monitoring of individual specimens and containers--it is the same problem whether they are
on compactors or fixed shelving. We are all being faced with moves to denser and denser storage due to growing collections and stagnant space allotments. Compactors have the huge advantage in dense storage in that you can more easily design narrow carriages
so that you can inspect containers from either side of the shelves. We found at KU that moving the compactors to get access to the specimens was not a serious problem in terms of time or effort, and we gained more storage space with a dense storage system
that could be more easily monitored. That said, I still think the most of the shelves at KU are too deep. If you have more than one row of jars on the shelf, it is difficult to see the specimens in the second and third row back (etc., etc.). What we really
need is a new design for fluid collection shelving that allows collection managers to monitor the containers without having to move any of the jars. It is the repeated removal and replacement of jars that causes most of the problems of container misplacement
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Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>
Penn State University<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">... adding to Paul's comment, fire risks may increase if the compactors are "closed" allow alcohol fumes to build up. Also worth considering is potentially spillage from moving the compactors or compromising of
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Lucia’s comments reminded me of another major caveat about compactors: if you’re planning on using them for wet collections, at least in the USA, check with your fire marshal and insurers first. As she pointed out, in a serious fire a compacted wet collection
without sufficient venting is an enormous fuel-air bomb. Ethanol burns fairly quickly anyway, but if it’s pre-heated before encountering a flame, weakening or even popping the lids and filling the compactor with vapor, then an explosion becomes more likely
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<i><a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">prc44@drexel.edu</span></a> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">
<nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:rapp@inpa.gov.br" target="_blank">rapp@inpa.gov.br</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Douglas Yanega <a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com" target="_blank"><dyanega@gmail.com></a>;
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Yes, you have "literally to breathe down the necks of the people from the compactor company "! This expression is great and it was exactly my experience. Although I received the visitation of an engineer in compactors, the project assembled by them made me
order for half extra budget of complements! The shelves came with an internal "channel" designed to keep the rigidity of the shelf, however, for alcohol collections the jars could turn!!! So, I had to order extra covers for these channels. I also had to order
extra steel bars for protection to avoid the jars to fall from the shelves. The initial project reduced the number of shelves from 6 to 5 despite of all my observations. I had to order extra shelves and connections. Maybe it was just local incompetence, but
compactor companies may be not familiar with our kind of storaged material.<br>
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I ended up gaining approx. 40% of space, what was great. I also order for holes, small openings, on the top shelves, to avoid excessive heat during fires. One of our Brazilian collections (Butantan) lost all the material inside compactors during a fire because
the material "cooked" inside and the cabinets would not role with the heat. I hope I will never have to test if this idea will work or not...<br>
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14 de dezembro de 2021 14:14, "Douglas Yanega" <<a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com?to=%22Douglas%20Yanega%22%20%3cdyanega@gmail.com%3e" target="_blank">dyanega@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One of our main questions is the use of compactors yes or no? So what is your opinion about this? How much space do you save using a compactor and how is it working with this kind of system? For
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<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Briefly: our insect collection went from regular static insect cabinets to a compactor system in 2002. It almost doubled our storage capacity (instead of 7 aisles and
8 rows of cabinets, we now have 2 aisles and 13 rows of cabinets). That bought us a few decades' worth of expansion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Liquid storage cabinets are in the static units to either side, and and microscope slides are in a narrow shelving unit in the middle; the 11 movable compactor units
are only for cabinets of pinned specimens, and operated manually. In 18 years we have not needed any repairs, which is a far better track record than electric-powered compactor systems. Insects on pins are fragile but not as bad as people might think; we routinely
ship specimens using postal delivery and only rarely experience significant damage.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The MAJOR caveat for compactors has to do with design and execution: we had to literally breathe down the necks of the people from the compactor company because they
kept screwing up the blueprints and specs for the hardware dimensions in very minor ways, and there were also issues with pouring a layer of concrete on top of an existing floor. To illustrate how subtle but devastating a mistake can be, one of the things
they didn't account for was that both sides of each moving unit had a knob that could be pulled out to engage the brake on that side. Those knobs stuck out an inch when fully retracted. We have two aisles, and each was calculated on the blueprints to be about
36 inches wide, and there are 6 moving compactor units on one side and 5 on the other. They failed to realize that their calculations had
<b>excluded the knobs</b>, which subtracted 2 inches of space per unit. Had they proceeded with the installation as planned, the aisle on one side would have been only 24 inches, and only 26 inches on the other, which isn't even enough space to open the cabinet
doors. I caught this mistake and had them machine the knobs an inch shorter so they retract almost flush with the side, instead of projecting; they are a little tricky to pull out, but at least we can work in the aisles. They similarly failed to account for
the three inches in height that were added by the wheels of the undercarriage on the compactor units, but I didn't catch that mistake, so the tops of some cabinets would have run into some low-hanging ceiling ductwork that we had expected to be clear. We had
to rebuild the ductwork before all the cabinets could be installed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre style="margin-left:1.0in">-- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffaculty.ucr.edu%2F~heraty%2Fyanega.html&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7C025eeea5566e4a62f9bd08d9bfe3c0af%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C0%7C637751807206023229%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2BR2Rq3Ntz0gdHMeLA1CryW3IGfTvui%2FOj2KPHWigRv8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html</a> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82<o:p></o:p></pre>
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