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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">... adding to Paul's comment, fire
risks may increase if the compactors are "closed" allow alcohol
fumes to build up. Also worth considering is potentially spillage
from moving the compactors or compromising of seals, especially if
the compactors are automated (which adds potential ignition
sources on various levels, i.e. control panels, motors). John just
commented on speed and wheel size. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Also, in case of fire or other
emergency (and/or power failure), closed isles are hardly
accessible ...</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">So a lot of pros and cons. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Another piece for Rob's <i>altar of
constraints</i> is that with compacting you actually do not
create more space, but agree to crowd objects to an
affordable/manageable maximum. This minimises (already in the
first place limited) possibilities and options for required
investments in new storage buildings to gain space for growing
collections. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">With best wishes</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lucia’s comments reminded me of another
major caveat about compactors: if you’re planning on using
them for wet collections, at least in the USA, check with your
fire marshal and insurers first. As she pointed out, in a
serious fire a compacted wet collection without sufficient
venting is an enormous fuel-air bomb. Ethanol burns fairly
quickly anyway, but if it’s pre-heated before encountering a
flame, weakening or even popping the lids and filling the
compactor with vapor, then an explosion becomes more likely
and the whole building could go. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:23 AM<br>
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can't resist to add my comments after Douglas.<br>
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Yes, you have "literally to breathe down the necks of
the people from the compactor company "! This expression
is great and it was exactly my experience. Although I
received the visitation of an engineer in compactors,
the project assembled by them made me order for half
extra budget of complements! The shelves came with an
internal "channel" designed to keep the rigidity of the
shelf, however, for alcohol collections the jars could
turn!!! So, I had to order extra covers for these
channels. I also had to order extra steel bars for
protection to avoid the jars to fall from the shelves.
The initial project reduced the number of shelves from 6
to 5 despite of all my observations. I had to order
extra shelves and connections. Maybe it was just local
incompetence, but compactor companies may be not
familiar with our kind of storaged material.<br>
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I ended up gaining approx. 40% of space, what was great.
I also order for holes, small openings, on the top
shelves, to avoid excessive heat during fires. One of
our Brazilian collections (Butantan) lost all the
material inside compactors during a fire because the
material "cooked" inside and the cabinets would not role
with the heat. I hope I will never have to test if this
idea will work or not...<br>
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cheers<br>
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Lucia Rapp Py-Daniel<br>
Fish Colelction - INPA<br>
Manaus, AM, Brazil<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We
wish to renovate our herbarium with 4 milj.
specimens and we want to get some feedback
from other institutions who already
renovated or renewed their collection
buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One of
our main questions is the use of compactors
yes or no? So what is your opinion about
this? How much space do you save using a
compactor and how is it working with this
kind of system? For which collections do you
use it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We are
really interested in the do's and don'ts and
it would also be nice if you could send us a
picture of the compactors you use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Briefly:
our insect collection went from regular static
insect cabinets to a compactor system in 2002. It
almost doubled our storage capacity (instead of 7
aisles and 8 rows of cabinets, we now have 2
aisles and 13 rows of cabinets). That bought us a
few decades' worth of expansion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Liquid
storage cabinets are in the static units to either
side, and and microscope slides are in a narrow
shelving unit in the middle; the 11 movable
compactor units are only for cabinets of pinned
specimens, and operated manually. In 18 years we
have not needed any repairs, which is a far better
track record than electric-powered compactor
systems. Insects on pins are fragile but not as
bad as people might think; we routinely ship
specimens using postal delivery and only rarely
experience significant damage.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
MAJOR caveat for compactors has to do with design
and execution: we had to literally breathe down
the necks of the people from the compactor company
because they kept screwing up the blueprints and
specs for the hardware dimensions in very minor
ways, and there were also issues with pouring a
layer of concrete on top of an existing floor. To
illustrate how subtle but devastating a mistake
can be, one of the things they didn't account for
was that both sides of each moving unit had a knob
that could be pulled out to engage the brake on
that side. Those knobs stuck out an inch when
fully retracted. We have two aisles, and each was
calculated on the blueprints to be about 36 inches
wide, and there are 6 moving compactor units on
one side and 5 on the other. They failed to
realize that their calculations had
<b>excluded the knobs</b>, which subtracted 2
inches of space per unit. Had they proceeded with
the installation as planned, the aisle on one side
would have been only 24 inches, and only 26 inches
on the other, which isn't even enough space to
open the cabinet doors. I caught this mistake and
had them machine the knobs an inch shorter so they
retract almost flush with the side, instead of
projecting; they are a little tricky to pull out,
but at least we can work in the aisles. They
similarly failed to account for the three inches
in height that were added by the wheels of the
undercarriage on the compactor units, but I didn't
catch that mistake, so the tops of some cabinets
would have run into some low-hanging ceiling
ductwork that we had expected to be clear. We had
to rebuild the ductwork before all the cabinets
could be installed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
advise anyone planning compactors to stay very
actively engaged during the design process, and
don't trust the contractors to get every little
detail right. Be very wary in particular about the
precision of dimensions, and maybe plan a few
extra inches here and there if you can.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in">-- Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's) <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffaculty.ucr.edu%2F~heraty%2Fyanega.html&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7C2a8e59a762f74a4df9dd08d9bfd6ba9f%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637751751253293566%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=kWzuCX1cPAKLadl6VT9V%2F4fL%2F774OhEq%2BYSFuDOaOC0%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html</a> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82<o:p></o:p></pre>
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