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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems reasonable….. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Dean Pentcheff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Compactors in collections<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think this discussion has made it clear that alcohol is the most critical issue to consider when planning for compact shelving: about 750 ml, in wine form, for each of a group of collections managers spending an evening together.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I submit that this would be the most efficient planning investment possible.
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Dean<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 8:24 AM Dirk Neumann <<a href="mailto:neumann@snsb.de">neumann@snsb.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">... no dissent here, Paul, but as you say, you <u>free</u> space without gaining new. Depending on size of collection and annual growth, the initial problem (lack of space) is unresolved but mitigated with an interim solution (which might
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<p class="MsoNormal">If compacting is considered from the beginning (as indicated by Lennart), you loose the potential to free space later on right from the start. Worth adding to Paul's equation (mentioned in one of the earlier posts as well, think by John)
is the additional staff time that is needed to access, manage and monitor the collection, e.g. costs to redo seals when the compactors turn out to be less well designed/functional for whatever reasons (cf. Lucia's example). @ John: I meant the seals of the
jars (e.g. flanged cylinders or stoppered jars), not seals between carriages - sorry for the misunderstanding.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All these variables should be taken into consideration, to be realistic on
<u>all</u> pros and cons when planning to compact. Even if X+Y are the most appealing and often only realistic options to store more objects.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 15.12.2021 um 16:51 schrieb Callomon,Paul:<o:p></o:p></p>
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though only one might be in use at any given time. If X is the total width of your cabinets and Y the width of one aisle, then uncompactorized total width is X + (XY), whereas compactorized it’s X + Y. That’s the sum total of my math ability, incidentally.<o:p></o:p></p>
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