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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Interesting to know that in the
northeaster-most corner of Bavaria, in Hof (also called
Bavarian-Siberia because of the cold winters), they developed such
a nice tool; thanks for sharing, Doug!</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Also a good source for old(er) place
names are the historic maps that are provided online by the
University of Texas, Austin:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html">https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html</a></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Larger farms, settlements or missionary
stations can be found in them for some countries (occasionally,
local spellings can be a bit 'flexible'); but it's good to know in
which areas of a country you should search to restrict the area
you need to look up. Always good to check plausibility of results
from old maps with modern spellings offered on other web
resources, and to note the original source of information in the
remarks field or similar in the database, so that the source is
clear (and traceable).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hope this is useful<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dirk<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.02.2022 um 13:51 schrieb
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve scored some good leads to
obscure/outdated/colloquial place names and place/people
collocations from newspapers.com, though you’ll need a
subscription to see the details. A remarkable number of
English-language newspapers from non-English-speaking
countries are now online, which can help with (for example)
anglicized Chinese and Pacific place names. Obituaries in
local newspapers can be a gold mine, as they often bring
together a person’s name and the places they once lived for
the first and only time in print and thus online.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Callomon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1900 Benjamin Franklin
Parkway, Philadelphia PA 19103-1195, USA<br>
<i><a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">prc44@drexel.edu</span></a> Tel
215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Douglas Yanega<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 14, 2022 8:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nhcoll <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu"><nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] difficult locality label<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:black">While
curating today, I came across a fair-sized series of
specimens with one of those locality labels that make you
pull out your hair. It typifies most of the worst of this
sort of label, in its combi</span>nation of useless
vagueness (the only recognizable place name is the country)
and hopeless specificity (it gives the name of a
privately-held property, rather than a town or some other
place name that would appear on a map).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">To wit:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">ZAMBIA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">“Amorotis Farm"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">15.ii.1972, S.C. Cruickshank<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Host: on citrus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Don't bother Googling; either the
farm name is badly misspelled, or it is no longer extant,
and has never been recorded in a document that is on the
web. There is also a Mr. S.A. Cruickshank who works with
farmers in Zambia, but that's a different person entirely.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">It's not crucial for us to know
more precisely (for genetic work, just Zambia is probably
sufficient), but it seems a shame to have the
<b>potential</b> to know exactly where these specimens are
from but be compelled to exclude them from georeferencing (a
point with an error radius of 700 kilometers is really more
likely to confuse people than be helpful, as so few people
check error radii when consulting online records).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">A disproportionate number of the
specimen records of this general nature in our collection
are from ranches or farms, from many different countries,
and even within the US. They are, not surprisingly, almost
impossible to track down once they change hands or go
defunct (e.g. "6 mi W Stanton Ranch HQ, Santa Cruz Island",
which is not helpful when the ranch was a few miles in
diameter and the few buildings were razed or repurposed
decades ago), and not always trivial to locate even if still
operating.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Asking here is a long shot, but
I'd also be curious as to any tricks people might know for
this type of locality (ranches and farms), even if it
doesn't solve this particular case. I do know, and make
frequent use of, the Fuzzy Gazetteer (<a
href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fisodp.hof-university.de%2Ffuzzyg%2Fquery%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7Cfb76d3125f064e97f3c108d9f01edd8d%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637804837664913299%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=RII%2FGhIDj9gDfkO6Mxfj2zMrQV71rleaoCg12I3VGb4%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://isodp.hof-university.de/fuzzyg/query/</a>),
but that's more useful for mistranscriptions or bad
handwritten labels. For those of you unfamiliar with it,
it's a very helpful tool.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in"> <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffaculty.ucr.edu%2F~heraty%2Fyanega.html&data=04%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7Cfb76d3125f064e97f3c108d9f01edd8d%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C1%7C637804837665069548%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xxK%2B0qyDzAlrHoJA%2BMzNiTlNjabcNm3cy2%2BgoyuoMlU%3D&reserved=0" moz-do-not-send="true">https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in"> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in"> is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82<o:p></o:p></pre>
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