<div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small" dir="auto">In Amphibians and Reptiles at the Field Museum, we were gifted a collection of preserved herps that was displayed in a home. The son of the fellow who made the accumulation said that his father kept live herps and preserved them after their deaths. Based on the species included, the collection was built starting in the 1950's and 1960's. The father worked at some point in commercial pharmaceutical manufacturing and had access to discarded glassware. Attached is a photo of a Drymarchon (in thick ca. 60 cm long glass tube stoppered with rubber plugs), a Dracaena (in large rubber-stoppered test tube-shaped bottle), and an Iguana. A 48 cm. ruler is in foreground. A number of smaller, thinner glass tubes stoppered with wax sealed corks were also in the collection. The large tubes were well sealed. The smaller ones with cork stoppers were empty or only partially full of liquid. It took us a few years to build up the courage to open the large tubes and change the fluid. We drained the tubes by removing original stoppers, did a water soak, and stepped up the specimens in ethanol. As is our custom after transfers, we monitored the ethanol concentrations for 2 or 3 weeks and added 95% ethanol until the concentration stayed at 70%. When reinserting the original rubber stoppers, we held the tubes vertically and filled each to near where the bottom of the stopper would seat. We placed a thin strand of strong thread between the stopper and the side of the container. The thread was a short distance into the ethanol. The stopper was slowly pressed into the neck of the container as the thread was withdrawn. This allowed air to escape. We didn't practice with non-essential glassware ahead of time but this might be a good idea. We have not noticed any leakage over about 7 years. As Fabian and Andy mentioned, we made ethafoam saddles to support the tubes.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small" dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small" dir="auto">John mentioned Turtox. General Biological Supply House in Chicago used the trade name "Turtox." See <a href="https://history.archives.mbl.edu/browse/exhibits/using-biodiversity/supply-sale/general-biological-supply-house-turtox-products-1913" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://history.archives.mbl.edu/browse/exhibits/using-biodiversity/supply-sale/general-biological-supply-house-turtox-products-1913</a> Attached is a photo of an embryological series prepared by GBSH. The container is still well sealed after many decades. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small" dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>Alan Resetar</b><br></font></div><div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Associate, Gantz Family Collections Center</span><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Field Museum</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">1400 S. 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Sophie Cersoy demonstrated the technique for us in Paris during the 2018 fluid collection conference, and her paper is now available:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">S. Cersoy, V. Rouchon, O. Belhadj, J. Cuisin, and M. Herbin. 2020. Noninvasive fluid identification: potential of micro-Raman spectroscopy. <i>Collection Forum</i> 34(1):53-72<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">--John</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">John E. Simmons<br>Writer and Museum Consultant</span></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Museologica<br><i>and</i><br>Associate Curator of Collections<br>Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>Penn State University<br><i>and</i><br>Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia<br>Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima</span></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 5:00 PM James Bryant <<a href="mailto:jbandjb@live.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jbandjb@live.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Turtox! Fascinating, John. I agree that it would be useful to know how old these preparations might be. If they’ve remained stable this long, I can’t imagine there are many other reasons to disturb them.<div><br></div><div>Perhaps I’ve just not recalling things, but are there any instrumental methods to analyze the content of solutions used in fluid collections without disturbing the containers?</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 28, 2022, at 1:00 PM, John E Simmons <<a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">This technique was published in Turtox News 15(10:129 in October of 1937 in an anonymous short article with the title "A method of displaying snakes." The article includes a photograph of a rack holding a number of long tubes with preserved snakes stretched out in them, sent in by "Professor John M. Frazier of the State Teachers College, Hattiesburg Mississippi." Prof. Frazier reported that "The snakes are injected with formalin-alcohol preservative and are hardened instraight and extended position. They are then inserted in the glass tubes, the ends of which are sealed with cork or rubber stoppers and coated with paraffin after the tubes have been completely filled with the preserving solution."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">There were several "formalin-alcohol preservative" mixtures that were popular at the time, the idea being that you could reduce the two-steps of fixation and preservation into one. These mixtures were not successful because the chemical actions of the formaldehyde and alcohol interfered with each other, resulting in uneven preservation as tissues were dehydrated. For example, one mixture called for 95ml of 70% ETOH and 5 ml of formaldehyde; another for 50 parts alcohol, 5 parts formaldehyde, and 45 parts water. It may also refer to what was more commonly called FAA, which was formaldehyde, alcohol, and acetic acid.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">You cannot tell just by looking what solution the specimens are in, but I expect it is alcohol due to the discoloration (formaldehyde does not extract lipids as readily as alcohol). However, I would handle these as if they did contain formaldehyde and take appropriate precautions until you are sure. The problem with re-housing the specimens will be that they are going to be very stiff and it will be difficult to coil them up without damaging them. If they are not leaking, and you do not need to remove the specimens for examination, I would leave them as they are but house the tubes in a way that will reduce the chance of breakage, such as in a box or tray with half-rounds of cardboard to keep them from rolling or touching each other. They are an excellent example of an old technique that was rather quaint.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Any idea when the specimens were preserved?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">--John<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">John E. Simmons<br>Writer and Museum Consultant</span></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Museologica<br><i>and</i><br>Associate Curator of Collections<br>Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery<br>Penn State University<br><i>and</i><br>Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia<br>Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima</span></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:02 PM Luisa Zamora Chavez <<a href="mailto:lzamorac@asu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lzamorac@asu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello all,<div><br></div><div>I have a few liquid-preserved snakes in glass tubes that were donated to our collections sometime ago. The tubes are sealed shut using what appears to be plastic corks, tape, and sealant. We're not sure if the liquid they're in is formalin or something other than ethanol. </div><div><br></div><div><div>I am wondering if anyone has had any experience with this sort of preservation and any advice on how to transfer the specimens to a more stable mode? We'd like to keep some of them but fear the tubes might break. We are unsure of what liquid is typically used for this type of preservation and would like to be as prepared as possible so we can safely remove them from the tubes (if that is at all possible). I have included some pictures of the specimens for reference. Any help is greatly appreciated! </div></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Luisa</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b>Luisa Zamora Chavez </b><div>Pronouns: she/they<br><div><div>Research Technician</div><div>Arizona State University Biocollections</div><div><a href="mailto:Lzamorac@asu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Lzamorac@asu.edu</a></div><div>602-737-8357</div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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