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    <p>Hey Luisa,</p>
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    <p>I agree with Andrew's suggestion of placing them on ethafoam. I
      attached a picture of some similar specimens I rehoused for
      storage in a school collection in Wuppertal. <br>
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    <p>As long as the tubes show no leakage and the specimens are
      stable, I see no reason of rehousing them. They look very well
      preserved to me. Of course you should keep an eye on the
      cork/rubber stopper.<br>
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    <p>... and to James question,</p>
    <p>the method that John points out works very well. I did it using a
      portable Raman-Spectrometer provided by Ocean Insight
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.oceaninsight.com/products/measurement--technique-bundles/raman-bundle-785/?qty=1">https://www.oceaninsight.com/products/measurement--technique-bundles/raman-bundle-785/?qty=1</a>)
      during my master thesis on the conservation of fluid preserved
      specimens. I encourage everyone who could afford such analysis to
      try it out, we need a big spectral library of references so its
      easier to identify possible preservation fluids ;>)  <br>
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    <p>For more info get in contact with Sophie.<br>
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    <p>All best,<br>
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          this purpose, but you need the right lab equipment to do use
          it. Sophie Cersoy demonstrated the technique for us in Paris
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          2020. Noninvasive fluid identification: potential of
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            John. I agree that it would be useful to know how old these
            preparations might be. If they’ve remained stable this long,
            I can’t imagine there are many other reasons to disturb
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            <div>Perhaps I’ve just not recalling things, but are there
              any instrumental methods to analyze the content of
              solutions used in fluid collections without disturbing the
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                Santa Fe, NM<br>
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                        technique was published in Turtox News 15(10:129
                        in October of 1937 in an anonymous short article
                        with the title "A method of displaying snakes."
                        The article includes a photograph of a rack
                        holding a number of long tubes with preserved
                        snakes stretched out in them, sent in by
                        "Professor John M. Frazier of the State Teachers
                        College, Hattiesburg Mississippi." Prof. Frazier
                        reported that "The snakes are injected with
                        formalin-alcohol preservative and are hardened
                        instraight and extended position. They are then
                        inserted in the glass tubes, the ends of which
                        are sealed with cork or rubber stoppers and
                        coated with paraffin after the tubes have been
                        completely filled with the preserving solution."</div>
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                        were several "formalin-alcohol preservative"
                        mixtures that were popular at the time, the idea
                        being that you could reduce the two-steps of
                        fixation and preservation into one. These
                        mixtures were not successful because the
                        chemical actions of the formaldehyde and alcohol
                        interfered with each other, resulting in uneven
                        preservation as tissues were dehydrated. For
                        example, one mixture called for 95ml of 70% ETOH
                        and 5 ml of formaldehyde; another for 50 parts
                        alcohol, 5 parts formaldehyde, and 45 parts
                        water. It may also refer to what was more
                        commonly called FAA, which was formaldehyde,
                        alcohol, and acetic acid.</div>
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                        cannot tell just by looking what solution the
                        specimens are in, but I expect it is alcohol due
                        to the discoloration (formaldehyde does not
                        extract lipids as readily as alcohol). However,
                        I would handle these as if they did contain
                        formaldehyde and take appropriate precautions
                        until you are sure. The problem with re-housing
                        the specimens will be that they are going to be
                        very stiff and it will be difficult to coil them
                        up without damaging them. If they are not
                        leaking, and you do not need to remove the
                        specimens for examination, I would leave them as
                        they are but house the tubes in a way that will
                        reduce the chance of breakage, such as in a box
                        or tray with half-rounds of cardboard to keep
                        them from rolling or touching each other. They
                        are an excellent example of an old technique
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                          <div>I have a few liquid-preserved snakes in
                            glass tubes that were donated to our
                            collections sometime ago. The tubes are
                            sealed shut using what appears to be plastic
                            corks, tape, and sealant. We're not sure if
                            the liquid they're in is formalin or
                            something other than ethanol. </div>
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                            <div>I am wondering if anyone has had any
                              experience with this sort of preservation
                              and any advice on how to transfer the
                              specimens to a more stable mode? We'd like
                              to keep some of them but fear the tubes
                              might break. We are unsure of what
                              liquid is typically used for this type of
                              preservation and would like to be as
                              prepared as possible so we can
                              safely remove them from the tubes (if that
                              is at all possible). I have included some
                              pictures of the specimens for reference.
                              Any help is greatly appreciated!  </div>
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                          <div>Kind regards,</div>
                          <div>Luisa</div>
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