<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">As others have mentioned, fixing and preserving frozen herps is common practice in herpetological collections. I concur with Andy that you want to be extra diligent with injecting formalin, and also making incisions to allow the formalin adequate access to internal tissues (especially for larger snakes and lizards). As soon as the specimen has started to get a little bit rigid, move it to a formalin bath and keep it in the formalin bath longer than you would for fresh material. Obviously, take tissue samples prior to formalin exposure. With a bit of extra attention during formalin exposure, the resulting specimen will be suitable for all standard research requests (including things like histological examination of gonads). The most challenging thing is to get enough formalin exposure to fully preserve the inside of the GI tract so that dissection for GI parasites isn't complicated by a decomposing gut lining, but I've found this is doable even for larger turtles and snakes as long as you thoroughly inject and move to the formalin bath quickly (I aim for starting at least a partial formalin bath within 8-12 hours).<div><br></div><div>Greg</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:26 PM Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) <<a href="mailto:Tonya.Haff@csiro.au">Tonya.Haff@csiro.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have read (in John Simmon’s book on herpetological collecting, among other places) that frozen snake and lizard specimens do not make suitable formalin-preserved specimens, and should be instead skeletonised. We have quite a few herp
specimens in the freezer that we have been planning on prepping as ‘pickles’ (fixed in formalin and then stored in ETOH), but I haven’t started yet because of the concern that it may not be worthwhile. I wonder if any of you could weigh in on this and tell
me what your experiences have been, and whether or not you would bother preserving these specimens in spirit, or if we should just prep them as skeletons?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tonya<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dr. Tonya M. Haff<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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