<div dir="ltr">Fantastic! Thanks, Cindy. Exactly the kind of information I am looking for. ---Liath<div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2">Liath Appleton<br></font></div><div><font size="2">Collections Manager</font></div><div><font size="2">Non-Vertebrate Paleontology Lab</font></div><div><font size="2">University of Texas at Austin</font></div><div><div>Bldg PRC122 - campus mail code R8500<br>10100 Burnet Road</div><div>Austin, TX 78758</div></div><div><br></div><div><font size="2">SPNHC Connection Editor (<span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);white-space:nowrap"><a href="mailto:newsletter@spnhc.org" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">newsletter@spnhc.org</a>)</span></font></div><div><font size="2">SPNHC Web Manager (<a href="mailto:webmaster@spnhc.org" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">webmaster@spnhc.org</a>)</font></div><div><a href="http://www.spnhc.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font size="2">www.spnhc.org</font></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:42 PM Opitz, Cindy E <<a href="mailto:cindy-opitz@uiowa.edu">cindy-opitz@uiowa.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-msg-383724833248065393">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Yes, the clear acrylic gel doesn’t smear the laserjet-printed ink and also has more of a matte finish—less glossy and easier to read. I use the clear acrylic gel on hand-printed labels as well,
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2022 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Opitz, Cindy E <<a href="mailto:cindy-opitz@uiowa.edu" target="_blank">cindy-opitz@uiowa.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for all of your input. Our previous protocol (before we stopped numbering) was similar to what many of you are currently using -
<a href="https://wikis.utexas.edu/display/specify6/NPL+Tasks%3A+Specimen+Numbering" target="_blank">
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To Cindy Opitz: do you know why your collection uses the clear gel rather than another layer of B-72? Is it less likely to smudge, easier to apply, less expensive, or something else?<br>
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1. Choosing the best place for your numbers - a spot that appears to be a good place for a number now, may not always be a good place later, or may be in the way if the specimen is photographed at a future date. How easily can B-72 be removed after it has been
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<p class="MsoNormal">I prefer to write directly on the specimen (fossils and minerals) when possible. Ideally there is some matrix that will provide a suitable (unobtrusive) spot.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Penmanship sample—I will give students and volunteers a blank label and ask them to write down their contact information<u></u><u></u></p>
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Sakura <b>Pigma® Micron </b>black ink pen<u></u><u></u></p>
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We currently use the Pigma® Micron<b> </b>pens because of the convenience with multiple users. They are available in a range of point size. We have now been using them for more than two decades.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fox, Marilyn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2022 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Numbers on specimens<u></u><u></u></p>
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Collections Study Center</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2022 12:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Liath Appleton <<a href="mailto:liathappleton@gmail.com" target="_blank">liathappleton@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We apply numbers directly to specimens here – minerals, rocks, fossils alike. Depending on the coloration, surface texture, etc I will use a few different techniques using an archival
varnish, titanium white acrylic paint, india ink, and other archival safe products. We use a technique in our prep lab now to keep data with the specimen where preparators will cut out a small piece of Japanese rice paper or archival tissue, write the number
on with archival pen, and then adhere this small rectangle of paper to the surface with B72 or B76 (stole this idea from Amy Davidson – thank you!) as a ‘temporary number’ but so far it seems like our temporary prep lab labels have been staying on just as
well as the painted/ink ones. My students/volunteers have varying abilities when it comes to writing tiny and/or cleanly so when I find a student who has great tiny writing, they almost always get put on cataloging and numbering for as much as they can stand
it. Other curatorial duties (cavity mounts, making boxes, data entry) are then the tasks of my students from whom handwriting is a challenge. It all is helpful!
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Liath Appleton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 29, 2022 11:16 AM<br>
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primarily because the previous curator didn't want to police the handwriting skills of her volunteers. That makes sense, but I think that we really should have the numbers on there somehow. Some people have suggested printing out the numbers and using some
type of glue to adhere the numbers to the specimens. I've seen this done before, but I've also seen many of those labels falling off over time. When I managed mollusk collections, writing directly on the shell surface was usually easy to do, but for my current
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