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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Annika,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">jumping onto paul's post this is how this could look like:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This is a huge Distochdus specimen in a borosilicate glass cylinder with 30 cm diameter and a height of 75 centimetres. The borosilicate tubes are from Schott (which you may know e.g. from Schott duran glassware in labs). When still
in Munich, we had a local producer specialised in technical glassware for universities.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The widest diameter is 30 cm, the length up to 2 metres, but anything above 1 metre really gets very heavy and difficult to transport. The jars have a flanged closure that should be shoul with a high quality vacuum joint grease
(that is silicone-free). For putting such large (ethanol) cylinders on display, it is worth considering having them in a separate room (i.e. outside the museum space) where visitors can watch the specimen through window from the exhibition space. That avoids
faulty compromises for the storage fluid (which usually don't work and often lead to severe deterioration of the specimen after some time - and there are many examples) and helps to avoid expensive installation in the visitor area the meet safety standards
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Any other solutions (aquarium tanks, acrylic containers, etc.) will fail at some point. There was a case in Germany when a large formalin container (customised aquarium after the historic glass cylinder was damaged and cracked)
suddenly burst during the opening hours of the museum. Surely something to avoid.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hope this helps</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dirk<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.10.2022 um 16:52 schrieb Callomon,Paul:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Where fluid volume is an issue, hanging the specimen vertically in the classic cylindrical jar offers the best ratio of beast to liquid. A high-quality jar will not distort the view optically by much, and having a single gasket and no joints
makes sealing much easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">However: such jars are frighteningly expensive. We keep a Giant Pacific Octopus in a glass Whittall-Tatum jar of 30 cm diameter and 60 cm height (42 liters) that dates from about 100 years ago. If anything happened we could rehouse the
octopus in a lidded pail, but could not afford a new jar… <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Callomon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">
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<b>To:</b> Annika Sander <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Annika.Sander@vestfoldmuseene.no">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXT] whale foetus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi Anniker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">What are your national regulations about volumes of flammable liquids in public areas? I assume this specimen is in ethanol? That may have an influence on the size and type of container you are allowed, and what
sort of fume extraction is required in the area, especially if the container is not sealed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We are presently dealing with redoing a display of wet specimens but are limited by that fact that we are not allowed more than 35L total of ethanol for the available floorspace of the room.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Assuming no such limits on your space, then I think the main issue is that your whale looks a little cramped, and the fluid level is too low, allowing parts to dry out. It’s personal opinion, but I’d go for a slightly
larger container in the same orientation, topped up a little higher. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Presumably the volume and mass of liquid requires strong joins at the corners to prevent the container from falling apart. You might get slightly less intrusive corners with a stronger material. Would gasketed steel
work better?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">That’s my 2 cents.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Valerie Tomlinson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXT][Nhcoll-l] whale foetus<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a name="_Hlk65655558" moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="NO-BOK">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">First of all, I’m very greatful for this mailinglist and learnt a lot by reading here.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">Now to my question<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">We have a wet specimen, a big whale foetus (app. 70x30cm) in an aquarium like container, which should go to exhibition soon.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">The container isn’t tight and not as aesthetic as wanted. Se picture attached.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">We really want to get a better solution for exhibiting this specimen.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">Which container would you recommend for such a big specimen?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">Should it better lie og be in an upright position?<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="mso-bookmark:_Hlk65655558"><span lang="NO-BOK">Every comment is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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