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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.11.2022 um 16:01 schrieb Callomon,Paul:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sarah’s statement indicates two things: “this specimen was collected at this time and place”, so the specimen is certainly a voucher for that event, and “it belongs to a certain
taxon”, which is an opinion – subject to reappraisal at any time and thus not voucherable.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the broadest sense – and any other sense – a collection thus does not contain vouchers for a species, just registers for names and evidence for hypotheses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Taylor, Sarah
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 3, 2022 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John E Simmons <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com">
<simmons.johne@gmail.com></a>; Callomon,Paul <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu">
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<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Nhcoll-l] vouchers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And to add just a little bit more…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If a voucher is “a thing that confirms something,” then in the broadest sense ALL natural history specimens (with collection data) are
vouchers, as they confirm that an individual of a certain taxon existed at a specific place at a specific time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But, yes, generally the term is applied in a narrower sense! And count me in as someone very curious about the terms for “voucher specimen”
in non-English languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Callomon,Paul <<a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">prc44@drexel.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] vouchers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">*Message sent from a system outside of UConn.*<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Just to add a note to Paul's excellent explanation--it may be useful to you to look at the origin of the word "voucher" to better understand its meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Voucher</span></i><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> comes from the Latin word
<i>vocare</i>, which means "to call." The best definition for <i>voucher</i> in the Oxford English Dictionary is "a fact, circumstance, or thing to confirm or prove something," which is why we use voucher in the ways that Paul described, to refer to specimens
that have been used in research to support the claims of the research. Voucher can also mean such things as to summon someone to court to give evidence, etc. But if you think of
<i>voucher</i> as "a thing that confirms something," its meaning in the phrase <i>
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<i>voucher</i> in Spanish, <i>comprobante</i>, but I have noticed that most Spanish speakers (at least those in Latin America) prefer to use the word
<i>voucher</i> when referring to scientific specimens because it carries a more specific meaning and because it is derived from Latin, it is easily adapted to Spanish.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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To “vouch for” something or someone means “to support their claim to truth”. If I vouch for your trustworthiness, I support your claim to that quality.
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Voucher specimens also support claims to truth that are either published or in some way codified. For example: if I write a paper about mollusks from Bermuda, then all the specimens I mention in it become vouchers for that paper. In the future, anyone who is
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Vouchers need not be for a published work, but usually refer to a defined study or event. All the material collected in a field survey, for example, are vouchers for that survey – even if nothing about it is published. They support the claim that the survey
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Specimens in a general collection, even fine ones, are therefore not vouchers until someone has said something specifically about them or they belong to a named group such as material from an expedition.
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A loose definition of “voucher”, then, might be “material evidence for a claim to truth”.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lennart Lennuk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
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<span style="color:black" lang="ET">Just to clear it up in my mind. What is word „voucher“ used for?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black" lang="ET">There is voucher specimens – that means top specimens of a certain species?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black" lang="ET">Then vouchers when we speak a parts of specimen, like feathers, bloodsamples – is it only in zoology?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black" lang="ET">And then also eDNA Voucher.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black" lang="ET">Sorry for a little messy wording.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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