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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">... just adding: if you individualise these inside the lot (because they have been tissue sampled), you can separate these individuals, e.g. by putting small fish into glass tubes inside the jar, or by tagging them with the tissue
number (i.e. putting a small label behind the gill cover so that it won't slip).</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Also in fluid insect collections (e.g. flies) or arthropods (e.g. spiders), specimens or even entire lots are placed in glass tubes.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.12.2022 um 15:41 schrieb Bentley, Andrew Charles:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a common issue in ichthyology collections that, unlike most other collections that work on a specimen basis, work on a lot basis where all specimens of the same species, collected at the same time and place by the same person are
cataloged as a single unit in the database and a count is associated with the type of unit (ethanol specimens, skeletons, tissues, etc.) usually known as preparations. So, we have a single catalog number in our database for a lot that may have anywhere from
1 to hundreds of specimens. You can see an example of this here for one of the specimens in my collection:
<a href="https://ichthyology.specify.ku.edu/specify/bycatalog/KUI/22858/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://ichthyology.specify.ku.edu/specify/bycatalog/KUI/22858/</a>. In this example you will see that I have 80 ethanol specimens and 6 cleared and stained specimens all cataloged under the same catalog number – 22858. If a specimens is reidentified from
that lot I can re-catalog it as a separate number and change the counts accordingly. This also allows me to loan individual specimen(s) from a lot. What this does not allow me to do however, is store unique information about each individual specimen in a
lot which is sometimes useful – e.g. where a tissue has been taken from an individual or it has been imaged or CT scanned. In those cases we use individual tags (with a tissue number) for specimens to indicate this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope that helps<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Andy<o:p></o:p></p>
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Andy Bentley<br>
Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>
University of Kansas<br>
Biodiversity Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="x-apple-data-detectors://9/" moz-do-not-send="true">1345 Jayhawk Boulevard</a><br>
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Tel: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-3863" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">(785) 864-3863</a><br>
Fax: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-5335" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">(785) 864-5335</a> <br>
Email: <a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">abentley@ku.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ORCID: <span style="color:#494A4C;background:white"><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3093-1258</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-AU"><a href="http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">
<nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lennart Lennuk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 7, 2022 1:44 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] many specimens in one jar<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="ET">Hi!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="ET"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="ET">What is your practices preserving many specimens in one jar. It is quite impossible to mark them all with ID ohter than butting every specimen separately into glasstube. What might be the problems if
there are for example 10 individuals of Palaemon in one jar and the ID-s are only on the main label?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Should we count each individual as specimen or should we take them as unit and describe in database how many individuals one unit holds?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:ET" lang="ET">Best regards!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:ET" lang="ET">Lennart Lennuk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:ET" lang="ET">Head of collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:ET" lang="ET">Estonian Museum of Natural History<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:ET" lang="ET">+372 6603404, 56569916<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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