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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for some excellent suggestions and you’ve given me loads of ideas for different methods to try. Sadly, grinding the tops flat is not an option, mainly for the reason Dirk gives (very old
fragile glass) but also some of the containers have very large openings (e.g. 30cm/12” square).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Moore<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 January 2023 23:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Dirk Neumann <d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] [External] Re: Putty For Sealing Jars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The grinding using carborundum 120grit on a lapping plate works well for uneven surfaces and for grinding out spalls in the surface of the jar top<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can grind this down, even dry, but I would be very careful with historic cylinders for two reasons (see Simon Moore doing this in John Simmon's Comprehensive Fluid Preservation book)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Depending on how the annealing and cooling temperature, there might be a a lot of tension inside the glass that could cause chipping or even cracking (especially if the glass shows signs of glass disease, i.e small hardly visible micro-cracks
and fissures). Also, depending on how evenly the glass melt was blown free-hand or into the cast, the cylinder walls may be less then a millimetre especially around the jar neck. Tilting during grinding could lead to unwanted result or even injury.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When still in Munich, we gave the jars to a town-based company that did the grinding of even surface for us for small money. We also used this option to cut cracked historic battery jars short to just below the lower limit of the crack
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 11.01.2023 um 16:45 schrieb Tacker, Christopher:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">If you choose to grind them flat, the quickest and most aggressive way to do it is 120 grit on a glass plate. I even got lucky at the glass business - they had unclaimed thick glass that they just gave me. This
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#212121">You could even get some wet/dry sandpaper at a hardware store. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Not a complete answer, but something you might want to check on. Your mineralogy or geology prep labs might have equipment for grinding perfectly flat surfaces (for them, in advance of polishing). If so, they could quickly
and easily grind your jar tops flat for you. If they don’t have the equipment then they may be able to point you to someone who does. A vibrating lap (<a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fkingsleynorth.com%2F16-inch-covington-vibrating-lap.html__%3B!!HYmSToo!cYC3fw02i6vOpwFSOFOihSZnnAskFr7aSQRQFKPe4wTf_bXCK9J9zyEa81-x2ZLzL2MyX_FWil_yAo8GUzjBjquo0p_uSA%24&data=05%7C01%7Cj.maclaine%40nhm.ac.uk%7C19b7b32b1a9349cc827108daf428f583%7C73a29c014e78437fa0d4c8553e1960c1%7C1%7C0%7C638090754008957867%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZVyj9cqFWeyCf9tLgdquiSgbvei14cZcXRnkOInuwDE%3D&reserved=0">https://kingsleynorth.com/16-inch-covington-vibrating-lap.html</a>)
might be ideal but even a rotating flat lap (<a href="https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Farrowheadlapidarysupply.com%2Fproducts%2F18-rotating-disc-flat-lap-model-18rl%2F2695%2F)*20would__%3BJQ!!HYmSToo!cYC3fw02i6vOpwFSOFOihSZnnAskFr7aSQRQFKPe4wTf_bXCK9J9zyEa81-x2ZLzL2MyX_FWil_yAo8GUzjBjqvgqfe_0w%24&data=05%7C01%7Cj.maclaine%40nhm.ac.uk%7C19b7b32b1a9349cc827108daf428f583%7C73a29c014e78437fa0d4c8553e1960c1%7C1%7C0%7C638090754008957867%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OxRRxl6qjEBvIgKnACVvqlKN3z7o6xKjgco3JvG9oY4%3D&reserved=0">https://arrowheadlapidarysupply.com/products/18-rotating-disc-flat-lap-model-18rl/2695/)</a>
would serve.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Whatever you choose to seal with, the a perfectly flat jar top is certain to improve the seal.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Rob</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Maclaine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 11, 2023 7:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Putty For Sealing Jars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Dear all,<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Happy New Year!<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Hope someone can help with a large jar sealing question. In the past we have used a kind of putty (made by Arboseal) to seal flat glass plates to the top of some of our largest jars and containers. This was especially useful in the case
of some of the older jars where the top is not completely flat and the putty could fill in the gaps. It isn’t an ideal solution (and makes opening the jar a bit of a chore) and in some cases the putty has hardened and cracked but on the whole it has fairly
effectively slowed down evaporation over several decades. <span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">However, in the cases where the old putty has to be replaced I can no longer find the same brand for sale online, so can anyone tell me where I can purchase something similar and reliable that I could use for this? Or ideally, let me
know of a better way of sealing a flat lid on an uneven jar top (please don’t suggest stretching parafilm over it!).
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<p class="xmsonormal">As these are large containers for specimens that would be difficult to find alternative storage for (see attached), I’d like to keep using them if possible. They would also be prohibitively expensive to replace.<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Any suggestions would be much appreciated.<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Cheers,<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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