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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">often, these mounts - even though ugly and mostly of limited scientific value, belong to protected species. In Europe, for example, all Birds are covered in the Birds directive and there are general prohibitions regarding "trade".
Usually, trade in this context covers the "offering", i.e. creating an opportunity or incentive to obtain a (protected) specimen.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">At least in the EU, not even Natural History Collections and Museum are excluded; see further details below which I emailed offline to Sergio and another colleague who emailed me today. I guess there are equivalent laws in North
America which in principle sanction "trade". Moreover, often - not always - these "mounts" are hunting trophies of CITES or otherwise protected species, which adds another dimension. Here in the EU, the owning and possessing is prohibited (see details below);
the only exclusion here are hunters and their heirs, which can do whatever they want with the specimens. But also in this case, this transfer in ownership should be carefully documented.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Also worth noting is that usually respective laws cover not only "the specimen", but all parts and derivatives. CITES for example covers also all tissue or DNA samples derived from a CITES specimen.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In this context, all cases in table 10.5-2 are problematic, and it might be worth adding a cautionary remark. Note that even "display" - if the respective museum charges entrance fees - can be interpreted as "commercial activity".
In Germany, respective laws where changed not too long ago - after intervention of the consortium of the German Natural History Collections. So there is not only a real risk for negative publicity, but also for legal penalties.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For the first line in Table 10.5-1, there could also be a cultural value, so it might be worth changing this to Historic or cultural value - I am thinking of the early artefacts in the chambers of curiosity, for example, but it
could also be iconic zoo specimens, that were mounted and have more than a historic value.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For the second to last line (Need for conservation work) long-term maintenance of the specimen might be worth taking into consideration. Basically also staff time and investment in treatment, but on a different time scale. Could
also include need to enhance climate control etc. to keep the mount stable in the long run (think of the investments to the beautiful Vogelsaal in Bamberg).</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">trade is the offering and opportunity, and currently, there is no exemption in the European conservation or species protection legislation I would be aware of. For natural history collections taking entrance fees, national implementation
may understand this as being 'commercial'. The German law was just amended few years back specific that specimens in Natural History Collections are not meant here (and such specific language normally is unusual, you would expect something like 'display for
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">338/97 is the cornerstone of the EU species protection law, originally designed to implement CITES within the EU. "Trade" here means movement over international borders. With establishment of the Single Market in the EU, 338/97
became irrelevant for the movement of CITES specimens within the EU, as you or the specimens no longer cross international borders.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 25.01.2023 um 18:56 schrieb John E Simmons:<br>
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Very interesting discussion and suggestions for what to do with old taxidermy mounts.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 9:22 AM Leslie L Skibinski <<a href="mailto:lls94@cornell.edu" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">lls94@cornell.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">No one has mentioned the possibility that these taxidermied mounts may contain arsenic, mercury etc. Before doing anything with them they should be tested. If you work with them make sure to use protective
equipment. If they do contain “bad stuff” they need to be disposed of as hazardous waste. I don’t know what that may entail in the EU. Maybe someone else could weigh in on that aspect.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Horrible ;-) taxidermized birds and mammals</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello everyone, </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Last week we received some items of taxidermized birds and mammals in a very bad condition. Not only they are bad preserved, with dust and feather/hair fallen, also they have no data about origin, date or taxidermist. There are not interesting
species, all are common except five or six that could be considered as rare. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This type of donations is frequent because most people are received now properties of their families that traditionally have these kinds of pieces.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would ask you if anyone have experienced with these sorts of exx. and try to reuse in other terms. I want to say if they take them, extract the skull, and discard the rest or something like these. Ideas and experiences are welcome. Evidently,
invest time to recover these is not considered.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD">Thanks a lot</span></p>
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Stiftung Leibniz-Institut zur Analyse des Biodiversitätswandels<br>
Postanschrift: Adenauerallee 127, 53113 Bonn, Germany<br>
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Stiftung des öffentlichen Rechts;<br>
Generaldirektion: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Misof (Generaldirektor), Adrian Grüter (Kaufm. Geschäftsführer)<br>
Sitz der Stiftung: Adenauerallee 160 in Bonn<br>
Vorsitzender des Stiftungsrates: Dr. Michael Wappelhorst<br>
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