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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">G’day everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This has been a very interesting discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">One thing that should be considered, is lighting. The deeper the shelf, the more difficult it is to achieve adequate lighting at the back of the shelf, or when you have many
jars on the shelf. Lighting can be influenced by the height between your shelves. If your shelves are widely separated, then lighting may not be a problem, compared to tightly spaced shelves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Most collections tend to keep their shelving tightly spaced, to maximise storage space. Shelves are spaced to allow reasonable access to the jars. However, you do not want
many shelves to have lots of space above the jars (and below the shelf above). Otherwise you are just wasting space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Another thing to consider is the weight rating of the shelf. More jars means more weight, which could mean higher gauge steel, for wider shelves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Address: Castray Esplanade, Hobart Tas 7000, Australia</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Emily M. Braker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 16 February 2023 6:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>; John E Simmons <simmons.johne@gmail.com>; Rob Robins <rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hendrickson Dean <deanhend@austin.utexas.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">We updated our Herpetology Collection shelving several years ago and opted to decrease depth from 18” (457 mm) to 15” (381 mm). This was largely based on the fact that the 15” depth could accommodate
two of our largest sized jar (gallon) shelved one in front of the other, whereas the deeper shelves did not add sufficient depth to add a third, so the additional 3” felt a bit like “lost space.” This, combined with the fact that deeper shelves tend to hamper
visual monitoring, as well as the gained aisle space provided by 15” shelves – which can now accommodate a wheelchair and large cart – tipped the scale towards a narrowed footprint.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Note that slim profile static shelves should be bracketed to walls or to one another back-to-back to reduce tip risk. We also added earthquake bars (photo attached).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Cheers,<br>
Emily<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#7F7F7F">University of Colorado Museum of Natural History</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#7F7F7F">Boulder, CO 80309-0218</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#7F7F7F">Phone: 303-492-8466</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#212121"><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/cumuseum/research-collections/vertebrates" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#0563C1">http://www.colorado.edu/cumuseum/research-collections/vertebrates</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#212121"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Callomon,Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John E Simmons <<a href="mailto:simmons.johne@gmail.com">simmons.johne@gmail.com</a>>; Rob Robins <<a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hendrickson Dean <<a href="mailto:deanhend@austin.utexas.edu">deanhend@austin.utexas.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In the SPNHC paper, I discussed this very point. Closed trays are a no-no as they trap alcohol. Ours do not; they have broadly open corners that drain front and back in four places, sending spilled alcohol to the floor
in a very efficient way by not cascading it through multiple tiers of shelving (and thus allowing more time and space for evaporation, the most dangerous aspect of a spill) but instead sending it to the drains by the most direct route. I did nevertheless point
out that some fire codes might require the trays to have perforations in their bases too.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We designed this system with these factors in mind, not in ignorance of them. It is far safer in every respect than individual containers on shelves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Callomon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">prc44@drexel.edu</span></a> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John E Simmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Robins <<a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hendrickson Dean <<a href="mailto:deanhend@austin.utexas.edu">deanhend@austin.utexas.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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specimens. Code regulations are focussed on the storage of bulk alcohol (usually full-strength and in large containers) and the storage of retail liquor (which is rarely more than 40% ETOH). No matter what fire code your local official use, there will be interpretations
made to accommodate fluid-preserved specimens. The interpretations vary widely. For example, when the fluid collection facility was built at the University of Kansas, we were not allowed to store alcohol below grade (below ground level) because alcohol vapors
are heavier than air and would accumulate below ground. However, below grade storage has been allowed in other places in the US, using the same fire code, interpreted by different officials. In the case of KU, we were fortunate that one of the architects became
very interested in the project and helped us negotiate many of the objections made by our local fire marshall (although not all--we were still forced to go with 100% air make-up which was both overkill and a huge maintenance headache). So, the fact that one
place allows trays does not mean others will, and we could find very few collections anywhere in the world that were allowed to use them (there are collections using metal, wood, or cardboard trays that have thus far escaped close inspection by fire officials).
It is not that we did not like Paul's idea, it is that it is not practical in most places. But if you can talk your local fire marshall into allowing it, the trays are very useful.</span></span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">To John’s first point – a metal tray system solves all the problems of shelf depth. You don’t reach in to pull up and look at containers behind the first row, you pull the tray out instead. As long as you only have a maximum of two rows of
containers, you can eyeball everything instantly for condition, fully addressing the point he makes about planning for maintenance cycles.
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<span lang="EN-US">Sadly, the recent Fluid-preserved Biological Collections book did not mention these systems at all, despite our design and its advantages having been published by SPNHC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">As for collection density, fire-rated space in existing buildings is expensive to create and rarely possible to expand. Like it or not, to stay in code you often have to find ways to fit more into an existing space. We did that, in the form
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<b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hendrickson Dean<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:00 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">I presented a talk at SPNHC in 2022 that discussed the extreme space crunch that forced us to convert a now sizeable portion of our fish collection from the classical taxonomy-ordered shelving to a much more compact and (we find in many ways)
more efficient shelving system based on jar-size- and catalog-number. We’re very happy with the results so far, and coincidentally our legacy, second-hand library shelving enabled a handy solution to John’s point 1 – it takes us mere seconds to reliably monitor
our fluid levels across an entire shelf full of upside-down jars. We still consider this experimental, but now have 4-5 years with many hundreds of jars in the test and still no sign of leaks. Mind you, these are all recently acquired and processed specimens,
so new lids, liners, etc. More details are in the powerpoint and video of the presentation archived as Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in a Fluid Fish
Collection. <a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ykMgeKYFvk8spuDVmEdNcWRvJQyRg9OQkiLsTPmu3q_fCItxNuE6ghZD7Tnnbs2NNLjKUrBiwVDBr_j-g2cQ7He2FFsp3ecu4DNuCU7pIxMSOFRRsn1PQkOS08Grr1SQkW9oXyu92rqk7VXy3JzO1UVFDkc6bad6oxs_tk9tY8WHMrw8j_9Q9vKBYx2lYeT7ZbDKncnM7a1tXcvZ61QkxzY55JcY7MwrLl5rgUlz9CN_ME1e40_xfB1yZAMlUTvhC9qX2h5uyeopJs58YR0dvhGA_r_1yTryizEsfgoiKoGpinra0L-LZ1Q1Q_PWCPpUfZMm7zzuuYgnV0ng4CSPmEqREi_t4swpTABdbsxjQduR9n8gZSYynuwfe7DGB0yPnxKODuur3CZEHDLmOic4eTcMdsz35dSsDihzlci73laExcEL_LYvFyuob-eV-Cwt/https%3A%2F%2Fnam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fhdl.handle.net%252F2152%252F117476%26data%3D05%257C01%257Cprc44%2540drexel.edu%257Cd51fcbc5813148feecfe08db0f85c288%257C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%257C0%257C0%257C638120839400297448%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%253D%257C3000%257C%257C%257C%26sdata%3Dsflo8QMITDSvVlnA9%252BnMArz5SC%252BxXUyvWDEtf3QctJY%253D%26reserved%3D0" target="_blank">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John E Simmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dirk Neumann <<a href="mailto:d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de" target="_blank">d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">The advice offered so far on this thread is excellent, particularly the idea of abandoning systematic arrangements. There are two other points in support of the advice that
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">1-Deeper shelves do allow storage of collections in dense arrangements (assuming the containers are appropriately sized) but dense storage is a negative, not a positive.
Yes, it saves a bit of space, but what is sacrificed is the ability to monitor the condition of the containers and specimens. The ideal arrangement would be shelves with only one row of jars because with that arrangement specimens and fluid level and color
could immediately be seen, enabling the correction of developing problems, particularly loss of fluid. However, shelving with just one row of jars is not practical, so the question becomes how many rows of jars is practical? With two or more rows the jars
in front must be moved to see the jars in back, which takes additional time and also, each time a jar is picked up and moved, it increases the risk of either compromising the container seal or getting the containers out of order. With deep shelves, so that
the containers are several rows deep, the time spent monitoring the collection (checking for problems) increases enormously. In my experience, the time (and therefore the cost) of monitoring collections is rarely considered when planning collection storage,
which is foolish. A fluid collection needs to be inspected regularly to avoid problems.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">2-Systematic arrangements are false in the sense that they are not phylogenetic arrangements (nobody has branching shelving). What systematic arrangements do is simply re-create
the linear <i>scala naturae</i> of Aristotle, using scientific names. The arguments that this allows for better exploration of the collection, etc., are silly. And as Paul points out, containers should not be opened in the collection storage room to examine
specimens. Systematic arrangements made sense when collections were smaller, space was available, and scientific names were more stable. In a world of rapidly changing systematic arrangements, we should make good use of electronic databases to both bear the
current name of species and to serve as a finding aid for containers, and arrange storage to efficiently store specimens in a stable environment on storage furniture designed to accommodate efficient monitoring of specimens and containers.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 2:15 AM Dirk Neumann <<a href="mailto:d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de" target="_blank">d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">we recommend in our <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.universityproducts.com%2Fbest-practices-in-the-preservation-and-management.html&data=05%7C01%7Cprc44%40drexel.edu%7Cd51fcbc5813148feecfe08db0f85c288%7C3664e6fa47bd45a696708c4f080f8ca6%7C0%7C0%7C638120839400453683%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IzRd56F3IomCGZBWP3I8hgmT3yXcNlECTi8PBQCpMSY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
book</a> (p. 94) to prefer 300 mm deep shelves. You can do deeper shelves (in Munich we had 450 mm), but this doesn't save space, as you cannot place more large jars on such such shelves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Usually, large glass cylinders are rarely deeper than 300 mm. If there are larger containers, it might be worth considering 1 isle with deeper shelves (e.g., 450 mm) for these jars, or to arrange all large jars on special heavy duty shelves,
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<span lang="EN-US">If you choose 440 mm deep shelves for the entire collection, you increase the required staff time for monitoring and maintenance, because usually the number of small jars is much higher, and there is a tendency that small jars are crowding
on deeper shelves as the offer more space. Visual inspection of such densely packed shelves however needs more time. If staff time is a critical variable, 300 mm would be preferable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Another point worth considering: deep shelves usually require wider isles and operating areas. This may not be intuitive right from the start, but you need to reach deeper into the (crowded) shelf. If the isle is as narrow as it would be
for a 300 mm deep shelf, the risk to knock other jars is higher.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">If available space in the new storage room is not the limiting factor, I would choose 300 mm deep shelves.
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<span lang="EN-US">Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Am 15.02.2023 um 04:26 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">We are getting down to the pointy bit of having to confirm the desired depth of shelving for our new ethanol vault storage. Right now our shelves are only about 300mm deep, which is really not deep enough for some larger containers. We have
specified 440mm deep shelving for the new space, but before pushing ‘go’ I thought I would ask if any of you have thoughts or very strong opinions about optimal shelf depth for storing jars of various sizes and smaller drums.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Thanks in advance for your input!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US">Dirk Neumann</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Collection Manager, Hamburg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">of Biodiversity Change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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