<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I believe that one of Paul's messages inadvertently did not go to nhcoll-l, so I have reposted it below, along with my response.<br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The reason that we did not include a tray option in <i>Best Practices in the Preservation and Management of Fluid-Preserved Biological Collections </i>is because the use of trays on shelving is so rarely allowed</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">. As Andy pointed out, trays impede the flow of water from overhead sprinkler systems.</span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It is important to keep in mind that international fire codes do not address the storage of</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> fluid-preserved specimens. Code regulations are focussed on the storage of bulk alcohol (usually full-strength and in large container</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">s) and the storage of retail liquor (which is rarely more than 40% ETOH). No matter what fire code your local official use, there will be interpretations made to accommodate fluid-preserved specimens. The interpretations vary widely. For example, when the fluid collection facility was built at the University of Kansas, we were not allowed to store alcohol below grade (below ground level) because alcohol vapors are heavier than air and would accumulate below ground. However, below grade storage has been allowed in other places in the US, using the same fire code, interpreted by different officials. In the case of KU, we were fortunate that one of the architects became very interested in the project and helped us negotiate many of the objections made by our local fire marshall (although not all--we were still forced to go with 100% air make-up which was both overkill and a huge maintenance headache). So, the fact that one place allows trays does not mean others will, and we could find very few collections anywhere in the world that were allowed to use them (there are collections using metal, wood, or cardboard trays that have </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">thus far escaped close inspection by fire officials).</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> It is not that we did not like Paul's idea, it is that it is not practical in most places. But if you can talk your local fire marshall into allowing it, the trays are very useful.</span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>Here is Paul's earlier post:</b></span><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">
</span></font><p class="MsoNormal">To John’s first point – a metal tray system solves
all the problems of shelf depth. You don’t reach in to pull up and look
at containers behind the first row, you pull the tray out instead. As
long as you only have a maximum of two rows
of containers, you can eyeball everything instantly for condition,
fully addressing the point he makes about planning for maintenance
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sadly, the recent Fluid-preserved Biological
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Like it or not, to stay in code you often have to find ways to fit more
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<p class="MsoNormal">What we are doing at UF is a direct outgrowth of reading Adam, Dean and Melissa’s paper.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Office: (352) 273-1957<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Search the Collection:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Search samples suitable for dna analysis:<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Behalf Of </b>Hendrickson Dean<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Shelf depth for EtOH jar collections<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I presented a talk at SPNHC in 2022 that discussed the extreme space crunch that forced us to convert a now sizeable portion of our fish collection from the classical taxonomy-ordered shelving to a much more compact and (we find in many
ways) more efficient shelving system based on jar-size- and catalog-number. We’re very happy with the results so far, and coincidentally our legacy, second-hand library shelving enabled a handy solution to John’s point 1 – it takes us mere seconds to reliably
monitor our fluid levels across an entire shelf full of upside-down jars. We still consider this experimental, but now have 4-5 years with many hundreds of jars in the test and still no sign of leaks. Mind you, these are all recently acquired and processed
specimens, so new lids, liners, etc. More details are in the powerpoint and video of the presentation archived as Cohen, A. E., Hendrickson, D. A., & Casarez, M. J. (2022). Testing An Alternative Shelving Arrangement to Optimize Space and Task Efficiency in
a Fluid Fish Collection. <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhdl.handle.net%2F2152%2F117476&data=05%7C01%7Crhrobins%40flmnh.ufl.edu%7Caa2e12a9dcd64619060008db0f8289ab%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638120826025697344%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fmj%2FEEEYV6S14Us0GhVfa3uRLL5UokUfSmEWyhQ258s%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://hdl.handle.net/2152/117476</a> (the shelf-jiggling fluid level monitoring is demonstrated at the end of the presentation).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fishesoftexas.org%2Fhome%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crhrobins%40flmnh.ufl.edu%7Caa2e12a9dcd64619060008db0f8289ab%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638120826025697344%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5CW0n9hiXVTgJZEmK%2B34kLWx0k153HMJXW%2B9%2FTThmpU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(17,85,204);background:white;text-decoration:none"><img style="width: 1in; height: 0.5416in;" id="m_-4936628814354388062Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:18656609388690bce2" alt="Fishes of Texas" width="96" height="52" border="0"></span></a><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">Dean
A. Hendrickson</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">, Ph.D. (he/him/his)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(34,34,34)">Curator of Ichthyology, <a href="https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbiodiversity.utexas.edu%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crhrobins%40flmnh.ufl.edu%7Caa2e12a9dcd64619060008db0f8289ab%7C0d4da0f84a314d76ace60a62331e1b84%7C0%7C0%7C638120826025697344%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mHdxdQBn%2BR3gDfClaO5TrAHeX%2Fw8ov3sH2i8PTbKgpE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">Biodiversity
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John E Simmons<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dirk Neumann <<a href="mailto:d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de" target="_blank">d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
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Yes, it saves a bit of space, but what is sacrificed is the ability to monitor the condition of the containers and specimens. The ideal arrangement would be shelves with only one row of jars because with that arrangement specimens and fluid level and color
could immediately be seen, enabling the correction of developing problems, particularly loss of fluid. However, shelving with just one row of jars is not practical, so the question becomes how many rows of jars is practical? With two or more rows the jars
in front must be moved to see the jars in back, which takes additional time and also, each time a jar is picked up and moved, it increases the risk of either compromising the container seal or getting the containers out of order. With deep shelves, so that
the containers are several rows deep, the time spent monitoring the collection (checking for problems) increases enormously. In my experience, the time (and therefore the cost) of monitoring collections is rarely considered when planning collection storage,
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simply re-create the linear <i>scala naturae</i> of Aristotle, using scientific names. The arguments that this allows for better exploration of the collection, etc., are silly. And as Paul points out, containers should not be opened in the collection storage
room to examine specimens. Systematic arrangements made sense when collections were smaller, space was available, and scientific names were more stable. In a world of rapidly changing systematic arrangements, we should make good use of electronic databases
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book</a> (p. 94) to prefer 300 mm deep shelves. You can do deeper shelves (in Munich we had 450 mm), but this doesn't save space, as you cannot place more large jars on such such shelves.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Usually, large glass cylinders are rarely deeper than 300 mm. If there are larger containers, it might be worth considering 1 isle with deeper shelves (e.g., 450 mm) for these jars, or to arrange all large jars on special heavy duty shelves,
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you choose 440 mm deep shelves for the entire collection, you increase the required staff time for monitoring and maintenance, because usually the number of small jars is much higher, and there is a tendency that small jars are crowding
on deeper shelves as the offer more space. Visual inspection of such densely packed shelves however needs more time. If staff time is a critical variable, 300 mm would be preferable.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another point worth considering: deep shelves usually require wider isles and operating areas. This may not be intuitive right from the start, but you need to reach deeper into the (crowded) shelf. If the isle is as narrow as it would be
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<p class="MsoNormal">If available space in the new storage room is not the limiting factor, I would choose 300 mm deep shelves.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are getting down to the pointy bit of having to confirm the desired depth of shelving for our new ethanol vault storage. Right now our shelves are only about 300mm deep, which
is really not deep enough for some larger containers. We have specified 440mm deep shelving for the new space, but before pushing ‘go’ I thought I would ask if any of you have thoughts or very strong opinions about optimal shelf depth for storing jars of various
sizes and smaller drums.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for your input!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
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