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<p class="MsoNormal">Sarah,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Echoing what others have said, it definitely does not make sense to hold off on serving data on these collections just because they are not yet identified, the question is simply how best to present them to promote discovery by users who
might want to study them. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Currently, we use an assigned field number as the primary identifier for uncatalogued group-samples from a given collecting event. This assigned field number is retained with every lot that is eventually split out from the original container(s).
We don’t give a catalogue number to the jar itself, and we don’t attempt to sort lots before entering this information (because it would take as much effort to just identify them, at least for our collection).
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<p class="MsoNormal">The majority of users of our collection are interested in faunal composition over time, and not necessarily in specific taxa, so this arrangement works decently well for us. The only issue we find is that since most collections do not allow
searching of material in multiple database tables, it is somewhat confusing for our users and many do not understand that they can search for data this way without us explaining it first.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Bentley, Andrew Charles <abentley@ku.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, March 31, 2023 at 11:33 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu>, Sarah K. Huber <skhuber@vims.edu>, nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Nhcoll-l] Cataloging unidentified, multi-species Lots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Agreed but this could be an iterative process as time, money and human capacity allows. Andy A : A : A : }<(((_°>. ,. ,. ,. }<(((_°>. ,. ,. ,. }<)))_°> V V V Andy
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<p class="MsoNormal">Agreed but this could be an iterative process as time, money and human capacity allows.</p>
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University of Kansas<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Callomon,Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 31, 2023 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sarah K. Huber <skhuber@vims.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Cataloging unidentified, multi-species Lots</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would say that if you can even roughly separate them into groups morphologically (by color, body shape, eye size etc.) then each group should become an individual lot. That way your collection reports putative diversity in the samples,
making it more likely that someone will come and do IDs for you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah K. Huber<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 31, 2023 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Cataloging unidentified, multi-species Lots</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">What are people’s thoughts on cataloging unidentified, multi-species lots?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Here at the VIMS Fish Collection we have thousands of vials of unidentified larval fishes in multi-species lots (hundreds of thousands of individuals). The ability to identify all of these fishes prior to cataloging
is daunting, and likely will not happen in the next 50 years. Especially since these lots come from collecting programs that are on-going, and we have limited personnel who are trained in taxonomic identification of larval fishes. I am debating the value of
cataloging these lots without identifications. They all have good collection data, a count of the number of individuals per lot, and in many cases I can take a photograph of all individuals through the scope to attach to the collection record. The data and
photographs would be made public. As individuals get identified out of these lots, they would receive a separate catalog number according to our normal protocols.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I would be interested to hear what people think about this approach.
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