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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Sarah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">These would be similar (or equivalent) to environmental samples. If they are stored in ethanol, someone could or might want to sequence eDNA from the sample, which could potentially help with IDs of the different
species within the mixed lots. We are seeing more requests to archive eDNA (and sometimes eSamples) here at NMNH, and they get cataloged if accepted (even before knowing what is in them). And if in formalin, as you note, someone might want to look through
the individuals to pick out anything readily identifiable. Seems if you go through trouble of photographing, etc. it would seem worthwhile to catalog the original lot. Anyhow.. . . just a thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">--Allen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://invertebrates.si.edu/staff/collins.cfm"><span style="color:#954F72">Allen G. Collins</span></a><br>
Zoologist & Director of <a href="https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/about/national-systematics-laboratory"><span style="color:#954F72">National Systematics Lab</span></a> of NOAA Fisheries, Office of SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Curator of Porifera, Medusozoa, Ctenophora for </span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#00C1D5">SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION </span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Book";color:#00778B">NATIONAL
MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Phone: 202.633.0645 Emails: <a href="mailto:collinsa@si.edu"><span style="color:#954F72">collinsa@si.edu</span></a>; <a href="mailto:Allen.Collins@noaa.gov"><span style="color:#954F72">Allen.Collins@noaa.gov</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mail: Department of Invertebrate Zoology, Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, MRC-163, P.O. Box 37012, Washington, D.C.
20013-7012 USA</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Courier Address: Smithsonian Institution, MR 0163, Natural History, West Loading Dock, 10th and Constitution Ave NW, Washington, D.C.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Sarah K. Huber <skhuber@vims.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, March 31, 2023 at 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Nhcoll-l] Cataloging unidentified, multi-species Lots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#9C6500">External Email - Exercise Caution</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What are people’s thoughts on cataloging unidentified, multi-species lots?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Here at the VIMS Fish Collection we have thousands of vials of unidentified larval fishes in multi-species lots (hundreds of thousands of individuals). The ability to identify all of these fishes prior to
cataloging is daunting, and likely will not happen in the next 50 years. Especially since these lots come from collecting programs that are on-going, and we have limited personnel who are trained in taxonomic identification of larval fishes. I am debating
the value of cataloging these lots without identifications. They all have good collection data, a count of the number of individuals per lot, and in many cases I can take a photograph of all individuals through the scope to attach to the collection record.
The data and photographs would be made public. As individuals get identified out of these lots, they would receive a separate catalog number according to our normal protocols.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would be interested to hear what people think about this approach.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Sarah K. Huber, Ph.D. (she/her)</span><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black;background:white"><br>
Curatorial Associate, VIMS Nunnally Ichthyology Collection<br>
Office 804.684.7104 | Collection 804.684.7285<br>
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