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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">This is an interesting example Nate.<span> </span>Were all of the specimens part of a single
collection with the same locality and date?<span>
</span>If so, then the fact that one specimen was separated from the rest
indicates it was the intended holotype, and it was deposited in a museum
collection.<span> </span>If the lot number for the
single specimen is much later in numerical sequence from the paratype lot, it
also indicates that the holotype specimen was separated later and assigned its
own catalog number (and there could be notes in the database to indicate this
possibly [1 ex. removed from xxxx and recataloged as xxxx]?).<span> </span>If the holotype specimen can be distinguished
from all of the others based on measurements, other descriptive information, and
the photo/illustration contained within the publication, then it is
identifiable as the holotype. <span> </span>According
to Article 73.1.4, “Designation of an illustration of a single specimen as a
holotype is to be treated as designation of the specimen illustrated; the fact
that the specimen no longer exists or cannot be traced does not of itself
invalidate the designation.”<span> </span>Therefore,
the photo or illustration can serve as the holotype designation, even if the
catalog information was in error, and this specimen still exists.<span> </span>There doesn’t appear to be any language in
the Code regarding errors in catalog numbers such that it would invalidate the
publication of the taxon.<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 10pt;line-height:115%;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The transposition of labels in the jars by the
author, museum staff, or another researcher who examined the specimens later is
possible (such mix ups have been known to occur).<span> </span>Nate mentioned that there were
miscommunications between the author and museum staff regarding the lots.<span> </span>Errors in the specimen database are possible
(most databases have errors of various kinds).<span>
</span>As the lot with the single specimen was listed as the holotype in the
proof indicates that a later change, possibly by the journal staff or the
author, resulted in the error in the final paper.<span> </span>If this is a valid taxon that was described
accurately, it shouldn’t be written off so readily.<span> </span>If necessary, a petition could be submitted
to the Commission to consider and rule on the matter, correct the holotype lot
# and conserve the taxon’s name.<span> </span>But it
seems that the original publication of the taxon name can stand as validly
published even with the errors in lot assignment contained in the original
publication.<span></span></span></p>
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<h4 style="margin:12pt 0in 3pt;line-height:115%;break-after:avoid;font-size:14pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:bold"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Article
73. Name-bearing types fixed in the original publication (holotypes and
syntypes)<span></span></span></h4>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">73.1. <strong>Holotypes</strong><span></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">73.1.1. If an author when establishing a new nominal species-group taxon
states in the original publication that one specimen, and only one, is the
holotype, or "the type", or uses some equivalent expression, that
specimen is the holotype fixed by original designation.<span></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">73.1.4. Designation of an illustration of a single specimen as a holotype is
to be treated as designation of the specimen illustrated; the fact that the
specimen no longer exists or cannot be traced does not of itself invalidate the
designation.<span></span></p>
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</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 12:47 PM Shoobs, Nate <<a href="mailto:shoobs.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">shoobs.1@osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Agreed with the points from Rob and Andy. Just a few months ago I had a paratype cited using the wrong number and collection code. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It’s also true that editors need to do a better job of proofing these things. That this slipped by the authors, peer reviewers, and editors, ought to be considered. I should add that this was not in a megajournal
with a broader scope, but rather a well-regarded smaller journal that publishes mainly taxonomic papers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>-Nate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<pre style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><img style="width: 2.3333in; height: 0.4687in;" id="m_-2624116994691303971m_8519274437393592166_x0000_i1027" src="cid:189b8ad25f5692e333" alt="The Ohio State University" width="224" height="45"><br></span><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(187,0,0);background:white">Nathaniel F. Shoobs</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br>Curator of Mollusks<br></span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(187,0,0);background:white">College of Arts & Sciences</span><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> Dept. of Evolution, Ecology, and Organismal Biology<br>Museum of Biological Diversity, 1315 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212<br>614-688-1342 (Office)<br><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___http://mbd.osu.edu___.YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YTpnOjJhYTVjNTcwZjcxZjdlMzRiYjMwYjk0OWY3NWZjZTQxOjY6ODNkOTozM2ZkYzQzODllMjVjMzU2Yjk4NGFmNjdiZGIwOGExOGJhOTQ1YWI0ZDM0MjFhYmY3ZDRkYjMwZjlhYzlhODI0Omg6VA" title="Protected by Avanan: http://mbd.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193);background:white">mbd.osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Bentley, Andrew Charles <<a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank">abentley@ku.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rob Robins <<a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu" target="_blank">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</a>>, Shoobs, Nate <<a href="mailto:shoobs.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">shoobs.1@osu.edu</a>>, Douglas Yanega <<a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyanega@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Nhcoll-l] Curating specimens with uncertain type status?</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">And to proof that section in collaboration with the collection managers of the various collections you are citing. I agree that I have found untold errors in proofing
material examined sections but only when it is too late because researchers <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And to proof that section in collaboration with the collection managers of the various collections you are citing. I agree that I have found untold errors in proofing material examined sections but only when it is too late because researchers
did not contact me to look it over.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Andy<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> A : A : A :<br>
}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°><br>
V V V<br>
Andy Bentley<br>
Ichthyology Collection Manager<br>
University of Kansas<br>
Biodiversity Institute</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Dyche Hall<br>
<a><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">1345 Jayhawk Boulevard</span></a><br>
<a><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561</span></a><br>
<a><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">USA</span></a><br>
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Tel: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-3863" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">(785) 864-3863</span></a><br>
Fax: <a href="tel:%28785%29%20864-5335" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">(785) 864-5335</span></a> <br>
Email: <a href="mailto:abentley@ku.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">abentley@ku.edu</span></a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>ORCID: <span style="color:rgb(73,74,76);background:white">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><a href="https://url.avanan.click/v2/___https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/__;!!KGKeukY!1EFeFjsEobDklReesjwP1DgMqGc0cB9OKKia3c0gLxa1h89rfXBjAWmLpSWeOtH5TQJyXegGt5N5t8iuRQ$___.YXAzOmNhbGFjYWRlbXk6YTpnOjJhYTVjNTcwZjcxZjdlMzRiYjMwYjk0OWY3NWZjZTQxOjY6NDkyZDo4ZDJkNmY3MjAwODM5ZGRmNjU0MjkwZmU0ODEzMjJlZmU1MDM5ZjAwNjlmNmQyNWMxYTY0MTgyNjUzODI1ZDk2Omg6VA" title="Protected by Avanan: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/__;!!KGKeukY!1EFeFjsEobDklReesjwP1DgMqGc0cB9OKKia3c0gLxa1h89rfXBjAWmLpSWeOtH5TQJyXegGt5N5t8iuRQ$" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> A : A : A :<br>
}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<(((_°>.,.,.,.}<)))_°><br>
V V V</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Robins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 2, 2023 11:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shoobs, Nate <<a href="mailto:shoobs.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">shoobs.1@osu.edu</a>>; Douglas Yanega <<a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyanega@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Curating specimens with uncertain type status?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Whatever the outcome of this case, it serves to underscore the need for authors to proof the materials examined section of their papers with the same care they do the rest of the work.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure nhcoll list members can attest to the many transcription errors encountered in the reporting of catalog numbers in published works…the rate seems quite high compared to other typographical errors.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></p>
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Rob<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Robert H. Robins</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Collection Manager</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Florida Museum</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The UF Fish Collection is moving:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Search the Collection:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Search samples suitable for dna analysis:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shoobs, Nate<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 2, 2023 12:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Douglas Yanega <<a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyanega@gmail.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Curating specimens with uncertain type status?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your prompt reply. This is one of the conclusions I reached, that the name is not available because a single type was not fixed at the time of publication. But others that I’ve spoken to are of the opinion that: 1. the type
<i>was</i> designated and is simply lost in the type series, warranting a neotype designation. Or 2. that the designation of the lot constituted a syntype designation.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the former is plausible, but the latter cannot be because post-1999, syntypes must be fixed “explicitly” (meaning if the word syntypes wasn’t used, they ain’t syntypes.)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Nate<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>> on behalf of Douglas Yanega <<a href="mailto:dyanega@gmail.com" target="_blank">dyanega@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:55 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Nhcoll-l] Curating specimens with uncertain type status?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">On 8/2/23 8: 39 AM, Shoobs, Nate wrote: The author, in the description, says something like this: “Holotype: OSUM 1234, 10 specimens. Paratype: OSUM 4567, 1 specimen. ”.
Speaking as an ICZN Commissioner, this right here is the core issue. After </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/2/23 8:39 AM, Shoobs, Nate wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:10pt">The author, in the description, says something like this: “Holotype: OSUM 1234, 10 specimens. Paratype: OSUM 4567, 1 specimen.”.
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<p>Speaking as an ICZN Commissioner, this right here is the core issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>After 1999, a holotype designation must be of an individual specimen. The statement above does not designate a single specimen, it designates a "lot" containing multiple specimens. Prior to 2000, this would have devolved to a "by default" situation and the
specimens in that lot would have been considered syntypes.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>I personally don't think the name of this new taxon is available at all, as it has no validly-designated type specimen, because your ample evidence (that what happened here is the accidental switching of the words "holotype" and "paratypes" in the final
published version) is not allowable for names after 1999. The problem is unusual enough that I will pass it by the other Commissioners to see what they think, but I doubt it is salvageable.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Peace,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<pre>Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)<u></u><u></u></pre>
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