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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Mackenzie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d also recommend caution in decisions to demount specimens. There is a loss of information during this process – information that can be gained from the style and detail in the prep materials and
techniques used. This information can sometimes be used to help reconnect a specimen with its history or be used for other purposes. There is also information in the base the specimen may stand on, even where there is nothing written on it. Some museums routinely
demounted birds to save space only to regret it later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">Dr Alan Knox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">Emeritus Head of Museums<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ligatures:none"> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Fabian Neisskenwirth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 4, 2023 8:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Converting bird mounts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Dear Mackenzie,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I suggest to reconsider the idea of altering a mount. I can understand that making a study-skin of it, has a positive effects for storage, but the mounts will suffer a great deal of damage. Its in a way like taking a old painting out of its frame and roiling
it up to safe space. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If the other option would be to discard them, then you can try using chopped cherry laurel leaves, which soften the skin very nicely. But then you will have to take out the old mannequin from inside and re-wire everything to an adequate study-skin mount.
This is a procedure that requires a lot of practice, knowledge of bird taxidermy, time and patience. And don't forget about good PPE, since old bird mounts usually have a lot of banned preservation chemicals.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is a fantastic older paper on the subject of cherry laurel in German:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Wechsler K., J. Fiebig, A. Henche, U. Plackinger, M. Rauer-Gömann, and H. Scheidt. 2001. Über das Weichen trockengefallener Alkohol- und Formalinpräparate, Herbarblätter und von Tapagewebe. Der Präparator 47(1):15–31.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Am 03.09.23 um 21:03 schrieb Kirchner-Smith, Mackenzie:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a question about the process of converting bird mounts into skins, or at least making them more compact to be properly stored in drawers with skins.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have some mounted birds where they are the only specimen we have of that species, and I would like to store them with the skins. I know I have seen mounts ‘converted’ into skins, such that the feet and pushed down and (when necessary)
the head is straightened out to be in line with the body. We have some in our collection that I can tell used to be mounts. Has anyone ever done this, or know how to go about doing this? These are birds with wires in the legs, etc. I’m not sure if they should
just be moved or if it would be better to try and soften them somehow before. Or if this ‘conversion’ isn’t a recommended course of action at all.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for any help or advice in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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