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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi Catherine,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I do sympathize that requiring permits to pick up animals, especially dead, empty mollusk shells, can be stifling. In most cases removing shells has a minimal impact on the environment
(though not no impact, as they are important sources of calcium and shelter for other freshwater invertebrates like snails, crayfish, and insect larvae).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">To give some perspective from another state – the collecting laws surrounding mussels are even stricter here in Ohio, where it is not legal for any person, child or adult, to even
<i>touch</i> the dead shell of a mussel, unless they have passed a state identification test administered here at the museum and hold a scientific collector’s permit. In fact, in OH, it is illegal for any person to touch or collect ANY native mollusk, alive
or dead, without a permit. These laws are rarely, if ever, been enforced to criminalize amateur naturalists, especially not children. They have however been successfully used to prosecute poaching for the cultured pearl industry.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">In my opinion, requiring a fishing license for 16-18 year olds to collect shells is not an especially restrictive requirement. If someone in their late teens is a serious amateur naturalist,
they’d probably already have one, no? In addition to funding conservation efforts in the state, holding a fishing license could encourage the teens to become interested in a broader range of freshwater taxa like fish and crayfish.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I’d say requiring a formal application for a scientific collecting permit like we do in OH is restrictive and really discourages amateurs, and I’ve actually advocated recently for
a change in OH’s policy to make the collection of dead shells of land and freshwater snails possible without a permit, in order to get better distributional information on species in the state from the public. I think in ALL cases, if a member of the public
collects something already dead and submits it to a public natural history collection, it should be considered a good faith effort and not a crime. But unfortunately this is not the case at present in many places. Then again, these laws as far as I know are
mainly (exclusively?) used to go after people who are poaching. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">-Nate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#BB0000;background:white">Nathaniel F. Shoobs</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
Curator of Mollusks<br>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Callomon,Paul <prc44@drexel.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Catherine Early (she/her) <cearly@smm.org>, nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Nhcoll-l] childhood collecting and taxonomy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">You might take a look at The Sound of the Sea: https: //bookshop. org/p/books/the-sound-of-the-sea-seashells-and-the-fate-of-the-oceans-cynthia-barnett/15252500?ean=9780393651447&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww. cynthiabarnett. net%2F&source=IndieBound&title=The+Sound+of+the+Sea%3A+Seashells+and+the+Fate+of+the+Oceans
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<p class="MsoNormal">You might take a look at The Sound of the Sea:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In a brief mention, I touch on childhood encapture.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul Callomon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><a href="mailto:prc44@drexel.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">prc44@drexel.edu</span></a> Tel 215-405-5096 - Fax 215-299-1170</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherine Early (she/her)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:39 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] childhood collecting and taxonomy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">I've heard at least one taxonomist say that privately collecting organisms as a child was an important entree to becoming a taxonomist as an adult, and that hyper-restrictive
collecting laws may stymy development of future taxonomists. As an example of a hyper-restrictive collecting law, in the state of Minnesota, individuals over the age of 16 cannot collect shells of freshwater mussels that are already dead unless they possess
a fishing license. This is a long shot, but is there any museum education literature to support this connection between collecting as a child and becoming a taxonomist as an adult? Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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