<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Hi all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Thank you for the helpful discussion, and for your patience while I finished the grant proposal that sparked this question. I didn't receive any peer-reviewed citations on this topic, which points to an idea for another potential project, and the books and stories that were shared lend support to future exploration of the idea being merited. It's also good to hear about efforts being made in other states to change the laws so they still protect species while also encouraging future naturalists. Even if the laws are rarely enforced against people who aren't poaching, I would rather change the law to be more reasonable in that regard than to leave enforcement up to individuals, who all carry their own biases and whose biases influence the degree of enforcement. This continues to be a supportive community and useful resource that I deeply appreciate! </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Best,</font></div><div><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Catherine</font></div><div><br></div><div><table border="0px" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><tbody><tr><td style="width:167px"><table style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><tbody><tr><td><table><tbody><tr><td><table><tbody><tr><td><img src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wD9JXWFLGfFGcjNPg9ybTqLuzHoh9SsWwN0epasNsoagFJsUsqboDVGj5yunC50y06p5F7S5Y" width="200" height="87"><br></td><td style="padding-left:15px"><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:18px;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-weight:bold;line-height:18px">Catherine M. Early, PhD</p><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px"><i>she/her/hers</i></p><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px">Barbara Brown Chair of Ornithology</p><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px"><a href="mailto:cearly@smm.org" target="_blank">cearly@smm.org</a></p><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px"><a href="https://catherineearly.wixsite.com/home" target="_blank">https://catherineearly.wixsite.com/home</a><br></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="padding-left:15px"><br><br><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="padding-left:15px"><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:18px"><br></p></td></tr></tbody></table><table width="500" style="font-family:"Times New Roman""><tbody><tr><td><p style="font-family:"Proxima Nova",Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(63,63,63);font-size:12px;margin:0px;padding:0px;line-height:16px">We envision a world where everyone has the power to use science to make lives better,<br>and we are committed to using STEM as a tool to advocate for justice and equity.</p></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:42 PM Susan Gallagher <<a href="mailto:sugal@ptd.net">sugal@ptd.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>This is an interesting topic! Please share any replies or info
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<p>Not a taxonomist here, but a naturalist and environmental
educator. Anecdotally--my interest in the natural world was
instilled by a father with a collecting spirit. He inspired and
encouraged my childhood collections of every kind of natural
history item you can imagine.</p>
<p>As an adult now working with kids, it irks me to no end when I
have to tell them they're technically not allowed to take home a
feather, or even a leaf or rock found in a state park. It does
give a good opportunity to talk about "leave no trace" ethics and
all that, but I remember how precious a small piece of quartz or a
dead dragonfly was to me when I was young, and how those things
instilled such curiosity. </p>
<p>Having something to touch, even if I can't or don't collect it,
still feels very important to me. So, somewhat tangential to your
question, attached is a paper I found that suggests "biofacts",
aka touchable things, can be an important tool for educators in
encouraging a conservation mindset--one reason why I'm a big fan
of the standard nature center "touch table".<br>
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privately collecting organisms as a child was an important
entree to becoming a taxonomist as an adult, and that
hyper-restrictive collecting laws may stymy development of
future taxonomists. As an example of a hyper-restrictive
collecting law, in the state of Minnesota, individuals over
the age of 16 cannot collect shells of freshwater mussels that
are already dead unless they possess a fishing license. This
is a long shot, but is there any museum education literature
to support this connection between collecting as a child and
becoming a taxonomist as an adult? Thanks!</div>
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