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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fish person here (though I do love me some snakes).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s what the practice of cross-referencing looks like for fishes in the UF (Specify) Database.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Remarks for UF 190450, the original or “donor” lot:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Remarks for UF 249625, the newly created or “recipient” lot:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As far as any guidelines that we have in place:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">When a lot is split for the parsing out of types, we reserve the original number for the primary type (if involving one).<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Otherwise, we reserve the original number for the greater number of specimens -- except when doing so betrays the original determination.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">History of a lot in publication may influence/countermand some of the above.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Relative to the middle bullet point:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the example above, UF 190450 had 1 fish correctly identified. Three redetermined lots got kicked out. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As others on the list have remarked: Clear, succinct annotation is key to reducing confusion for future workers. Less is more.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rob<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(P.S. We distinguish tissue sample voucher specimens from the same lot by the part taken. Thus the mention of “caudal” in the above).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(P.P.S. Always sign your remark so future workers know who to blame/disparage).
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😉</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robert H. Robins<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Collection Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Division of Ichthyology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img width="155" height="56" style="width:1.6145in;height:.5833in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01DA4F85.92886D30" alt="FLMNH Fishes logo email small"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Florida Museum<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1659 Museum Rd.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gainesville, FL 32611-7800<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Office: (352) 273-1957<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu"><span style="color:#0563C1">rhrobins@flmnh.ufl.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The UF Fish Collection is moving:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/fish/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Search the Collection:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://specifyportal.flmnh.ufl.edu/fishes/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Search samples suitable for dna analysis:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/grr/holdings/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Katrina Derieg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2024 11:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Angela Hornsby <horns076@umn.edu>; nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] Catalog numbers for split lots<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Angela,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not familiar with doing this with fish, but if it were me, I would not assign the original catalog number to any of the subsequent lots. I would assign each lot a new catalog number, include the original catalog number as another identifier
and the relationship would be “same lot as” (maybe there is a more appropriate one). You can encumber the original catalog record so that it isn’t searchable externally but still exists for internal collections management purposes. Maybe reach out to the Arctos
team on GitHub if you haven’t and see if they have any ideas about it. This might also be a case for using the “entity” feature in Arctos where the entity could consist of the multiple cataloged lots to indicate that they were once one lot. Not sure if that’s
an appropriate use for that feature.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope all is well at the Bell!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Katrina<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Katrina Derieg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Vertebrate Zoology Collections Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Natural History Museum of Utah (UMNH)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">301 Wakara Way<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Salt Lake City, Utah 84108<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Email: </span><a href="mailto:kderieg@nhmu.utah.edu"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1">kderieg@nhmu.utah.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Mobile: (801) 707-4819 | Office: (801) 587-5787<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">she/her<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Search the collections on Arctos: <a href="https://arctos.database.museum/search.cfm?guid_prefix=UMNH:Mamm">
<span style="color:#0563C1">Mammals</span></a> | <a href="https://arctos.database.museum/search.cfm?guid_prefix=UMNH:Bird">
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<span style="color:#0563C1">Reptiles & Amphibians</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nhcoll-l <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Angela Hornsby<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Nhcoll-l] Catalog numbers for split lots<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have a fish lot that was originally IDed to genus and cataloged as such. A researcher has followed up and IDed all individuals to species, splitting cleanly into new lots. Is there a standard guiding which (if any) of these new lots
should carry the original catalog number and which should receive a new one? This catalog series is strictly integers, so I can't assign 123A, 123B, etc. without changing the series format and affecting other things (working in Arctos).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">Angela Hornsby, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">Zoological Collections Manager (MMNH / JFBM)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">Bell Museum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">University of Minnesota<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.bellmuseum.umn.edu/zoological-collections/" target="_blank">https://www.bellmuseum.umn.edu/zoological-collections/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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