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<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 8, 2024 at 12:59</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Stodola, Alison Price <alprice@illinois.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>NHCOLL-new <nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Fluid specimen room safety<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Just a quick follow-up to Alison's excellent message--I, too, was involved with the construction of a fluid collection facility many years ago at the University
of Kansas. One of the most important things we learned from that process is most fire detection, suppression, and safety regulations do not address the storage of scientific specimens, but are focussed on either the storage of beverage alcohol (rarely more
than 40% ETOH) and bulk storage of full-strength alcohol (95.6% in metal barrels). To avoid having your collection facility forced to comply with the most strict regulations, it is very important to work with the regulatory authorities to help them understand
what is in your collection, and how it is used so that they can adapt the regulations accordingly. When building the facility at Kansas, we were fortunate to have an architect who became very interested in the collection and took the time to come observe the
lab and ask lots of questions, and as a result, the facility had to meet less strenuous regulations than were first proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 1:46</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">PM Stodola, Alison Price <<a href="mailto:alprice@illinois.edu">alprice@illinois.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Our institute constructed a few fluid storage rooms to house mollusk specimens stored in glass jars and vials with 70% to 95% ethanol. These spaces were retrofitted within a standard office building
and required significant reconstruction to pass inspection. In your case, the local fire authority will ultimately determine whether a space meets proper safety requirements. Our fire marshal approved the space specs after many (!) revisions. For this build,
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Each room has metal fire doors, sheetrock walls, sheetrock ceilings, and a flat, finished concrete floor (with no drains). Lights and outlets are spark-free.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The HVAC system was reconstructed to provide a separate exhaust for these spaces, since the vapors themselves can burn if there is a fire; this prevents the ignited vapors from circulating within the rest of the building in the
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">We are only allowed to store a maximum of 900 liters in each room and we have four such rooms for our entire mollusk collection. This liter maximum is to limit total burn time (I think it's estimated at staying contained for 2
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The fire suppression spray heads were aligned with fixed metal shelving from Bradford Systems. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">We have spill kits in each room to sop up spilled ethanol and broken glass. We use spill control absorbent mats and plastic bins to place broken glass in.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The majority of our jars are stored in rigid plastic bins that are impermeable to ethanol. These bins would contain a spill or broken glass if one or more jars break within that tray. We are not in an area with high earthquake
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">We have reduced the number of larger glass containers (anything over 1 gallon), and all larger lots are stored in blue plastic barrels; these will eventually be moved to a stainless-steel gasket tank this fall. The stainless-steel
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<p style="margin:0in;background:white"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:#242424">Alison Stodola (she, her), Aquatic Biologist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2024 4:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dirk Neumann fp. <<a href="mailto:d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de" target="_blank">d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> NHCOLL-new <<a href="mailto:nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu" target="_blank">nhcoll-l@mailman.yale.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I would second Dirk’s remarks about floor ridges. Having experiences them first hand with a trolley full of quite tall jars filled with alcohol and having to negotiate a floor ridge (on my own - reduced staffing
levels!) so that the jars didn’t knock against each other! This was back in the 1980s. It also takes a large spillage combined with raised external temperature during a hot summer, to produce anything like a realistic fire hazard due to the rather lower
flash point of alcohol versus other volatiles. However, Health & Safety parameters are often slightly exaggerated for obvious reasons.<br>
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Simon Moore MIScT, RSci, FLS, ACR<br>
Conservator of Natural Sciences and Cutlery Historian.<br>
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> On 5 Jul 2024, at 07:18, Dirk Neumann <<a href="mailto:d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de" target="_blank">d.neumann@leibniz-lib.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> this depends on your local fire safety regulations; in principle, ethanol itself does not burn, but the highly flammable ethanol fumes. Depending on your HVAC system, a sufficiently high air exchange rates in your alcohol storage significantly reduces potential
fire risks. Another relevant factor is reducing potential ignition sources, as ethanol usually does not self-ingnite. It needs a spark.<br>
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> In case of breakage, it is required in some countries that there are grooves or barriers, e.g. at doors to prevent that in case of a larger spillage ethanol can escape from the storage room. However, these grooves or small barriers usually affect much more,
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> Storage rooms should be equipped with small emergency kits that help to remove spillages; there are several chemical spill kits with binders etc. on the market.<br>
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> To create a combustible atmosphere it usually requires a "large spillage", e.g. a major earthquake or collapse of storage shelves that knocks off hundreds of jars at once.<br>
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>> Dear all,<br>
>> How have you solved the safety of the rooms for fluid specimen? If the cans break, are there any grooves where the liquids run or how do you dispose of such things? What quantities have you considered in case something like that happens?<br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>> Joosep Sarapuu<br>
>> Estonian Museum of Natural History<br>
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