<div dir="auto"><div>Dear Nate,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is quite possible that the LEDs are causing the damage because light damage is not only caused by UV but also by visible light (and IR but through other mechanisms). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Here's a good resource from the Canadian Conservation Institute about light as an agent if deterioration: <a href="https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/agents-deterioration/light.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/agents-deterioration/light.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And I'm also including an image I took from the Internet a while back but cannot find again (it has a Canadian Museum of Nature watermark, but I cannot find the original source anymore). It is a great example of both UV (right) and visible light (middle) affecting museum collections. Maybe some of our Canadian colleagues can provide the resource.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hope it helps,</div><div dir="auto">Mariana </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Mariana Di Giacomo, PhD<br>Natural History Conservator, Yale Peabody Museum<br>Associate Editor, Collection Forum, SPNHC </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 15:16 Shoobs, Nate <<a href="mailto:shoobs.1@osu.edu" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">shoobs.1@osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question on this subject – our museum uses Phillips
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<p class="MsoNormal">Changing to LEDs makes sense in many ways. They consume a fraction of the energy used by incandescent or even fluorescent bulbs, and do not get anywhere near as hot. Both factors
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Our campus facilities management would like to change all of our general lighting in non-public collections spaces (dry and wet) to LEDs. I haven't found any sources suggesting major negatives (e.g.,
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