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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Marion,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">there is this myth of "fire hazard" in exhibitions; maybe let's do some myth busting:
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">1. I doubt that few small jars containing alcohol do harm (in terms of being a '<u>considerable</u> fire risk'); dangerous good regulations-wise, ethanol up to 1 litre (in general, i.e. up to 98%) is not considered to be a fire
risk, and is not IATA regulated. The exemptions for limited quantities are 5 litres.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">2. For creating a fire risk in an exhibition space, you would need to calculate the entire volume of ethanol
<u>vapour</u> (not the total ethanol fluid volume) that would be needed to create a combustible ethanol atmosphere in this room. For a moderately sized exhibition room, this would be probably 100 litres or more that you would need to spill or suddenly "release".</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">3. If the showcase is fixed e.g. to the ground or otherwise 'stable', i.e. cannot be accidentally moved or knocked over, how should it tip to allow this sudden release? Usually, you would need to knock off a larger wall installation
or tank for creating a combustible ethanol atmosphere that is a considerable fire risk.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">4. And even if there would be a leakage or 'sudden release', where is the nearest potential ignition source that could cause an immediate ignition? Where are the nearest power plugs, are there risks from electrostatic discharges
(e.g., because of the flooring)?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">5. Are visitors directly exposed to ethanol or formaldehyde fumes, i.e. are the jars a real health hazard (likely not - especially if they are permanently sealed)?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">My personal approach is (which is probably related with my long work at the airport, including DGR-handling): </div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- know the limitations and be sure that you are below the allowances (knowing them is better than making good but wrong assumptions)</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">- if your finding is "yes, we are above allowances", what are the risks we need to control, and how can we meet them</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Maybe invite local firefighters and discuss risks and options with them - usually, they know the local regulations very well. They are probably regularly in your museum anyway for recurring fire-safety checks and give you more input
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Would not move the specimens if there is no need to.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hope this gives your further input ;-)</div>
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With all best wishes</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.06.2025 um 16:13 schrieb Marion BILLOT:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you very much for your fast reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, I am in contact with Marion Dangeon and Laura Brambilla, and I attended their training last week. It was actually they who pointed me in that direction. We have
also carried out the sealing of the jars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The issue here is not only about considering long-term preservation, but also the risk posed by the presence of ethanol or formalin in the display cases. It has been
demonstrated that preservation in glycerol is not the most suitable method, but if we assume that the specimens have no scientific value and are intended solely for exhibition, then this type of fluid could be preferred. I also forgot to mention that it is
recommended to add a few crystals of menthol to the glycerol to limit the growth of fungal organisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<nhcoll-l-bounces@mailman.yale.edu></a> <b>De la part de</b> Dirk Neumann<br>
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<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Glycerol as a safer alternative to ethanol for display specimens - Feedback from your practice?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">in your specific case, it is worth considering a permanent seal for the jars, as you cannot avoid fluctuations of relative humidity in the exhibition (even though this might be mitigated by your display cases).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Colleagues at the MNHN in Paris looked into (permanent) seals and sealants (there should be an article in the special edition of CoFo for the PFC conference in Paris), but there is also the group in Neuchatel ate the HE-Arc, which you probably
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dries van Dam and Simon Moore also published on suitability of specimens in glycerin and surely comment ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am currently working on an exhibition project involving fluid-preserved specimens, and I am exploring the possibility of replacing ethanol with glycerol for long-term display
purposes. The main objective is to reduce fire hazards and mitigate health risks in display environments (cases that are not airtight).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am preparing to present this proposal internally. As this practice is not yet established in my institution and tends to raise concerns, I would be very grateful for any feedback
from professionals who have experience using glycerol in this context.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To clarify:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The specimens are of strictly pedagogical value, they are not scientifically rare or culturally significant.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">We aim for long-term display in semi-sealed cases with limited air exchange.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">I understand that transferring specimens from ethanol to glycerol requires several days of transitional baths in demineralized water to avoid osmotic shock and tissue damage. I am considering a gradual
transition: ethanol 70<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>% → 50<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>% → 30<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>% → 10<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>%, followed
by glycerol in increasing quart-step dilutions. I will let it in a minimum of 4 hours for small specimen (5 cm).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Have you used glycerol for display purposes in your institution? If so, under what conditions, and with what types of specimens? Any technical advice, protocol suggestions, or reference
materials would be most appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you very much in advance for your insights. They will be very helpful in supporting a safer and more sustainable exhibition strategy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best regards,
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