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Maceration should do it. I only use room temp water, but I would say 5-7 days on a well cleaned skull and they should come out. It might even be faster, but I tend to be a bit bad about checking maceration regularly. </div>
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Thanks for the recommendations and help. The graduate student is trying a couple different methods, as well as a written protocol from Melissa Todd. </div>
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I've learned a lot (including that there are veterinary dental extractors for cats, dogs, and rabbits), and always so amazed by our community.</div>
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We're ramping up work on the animals now, so if anyone is interested check back in mid-August. </div>
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I'm excited for this series to come into the museum research sphere when it is done. There are a lot of martens being worked on in our labs right now.</div>
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Just a couple thoughts:</div>
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Instead of dermestids, or after the dermestids, you may want to macerate the lower jaws for a couple weeks or a month in some room temperature water set in a sunny/warm place. Let bacteria do the finish work down in the alveoli. </div>
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Then you might look into some of the really cool pliers and grasping tools from the model airplane enthusiast stores for pulling. They often have really cool small tools that will help in situations like this. Additionally, if you are afraid of shattering the
enamel or similar dipping the jaws of those same tools in a liquid rubber made for tool handles may also give them that 'soft grip' you would be looking for.</div>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Question on methods for extracting marten teeth<br>
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Hello everyone,</div>
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The UWYMV has a graduate student working on a project on martens, and needs to remove two lower premolars for aging purposes. The animals are being processed right now (they're coming to us as skinned carcasses and we are cleaning, sampling, drying, then to
the dermestid colonies they go), and we are trying to figure out the best method to get those premolars out of the lower jaw.</div>
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The student has experience pulling teeth from bears, and we have several tooth pulling instruments for bears and humans, but they are too large for these teeth (the teeth shatter when grasped). </div>
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It has been recommended to boil the lower jaws slowly at 130 degrees Fahrenheit, but that hasn't loosened the teeth after boiling for 3 hours. </div>
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Our next attempts will be for the dermestids to clean them and see if they are loosened by the bugs, or maceration.</div>
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Does anyone have experience removing small teeth from mammal skulls and has a consistent method that works? I have had teeth fall out on me after they come out of the bugs, but it is not a regular occurrence (and until now I've tried to avoid it).</div>
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Any help or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!</div>
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