<DIV>May I add a note in electronic spirit, if in absentia?</DIV>
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<DIV>The assumption behind the question, "What is poetry?" is that poems must create within themselves an <EM>emotional</EM> field. Recall Emily Dickinson's famous rule, "<SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry.</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>If I read a book and it makes my whole body so cold no fire can ever warm me, I know that is poetry." </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P><SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>Hermetic as her work often is, she might not find Language Poets taking the top of her head off (though, I'll bet, Lynn Hejinian might).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>But what if we decide to forgo this ecstasy, not all love must end in orgasm (pace St. Theresa), and treat the language poetry as a pure <EM>aesthetic</EM> field, devoid of meaning or even emotion in the quotidian sense of "I feel..." and then develop aesthetic measures that allow one to say, "good," "not good."</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>cheers,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=body><FONT face=Verdana>beert</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>richard.deming@yale.edu</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">11/5/04<BR><BR><BR>Dear Friends,<BR><BR>The Working Group in Contemporary Poetry and Poetics met on Friday, <BR>October 29, to discuss a selection of Michael Palmer’s work from his <BR>selected poems The Lion Bridge, Poems 1972-1995. The poems were drawn <BR>from the earlier volume, Notes for Echo Lake, published in 1984.<BR><BR>The discussion was preliminary in that the group spent time locating <BR>Palmer’s work in regards to the Language Poets with whom he is often <BR>associated. Indeed, longtime members of the group will be familiar <BR>with the problem of whether or not Language poetry is a general or <BR>local classification. While Language poetry began appearing in the <BR>early 70s in the form of a network of fugitive journals such as This, <BR>Hills, and A Hundred Posters, and small presses such as The Figures and <BR>Tuumba Press, its apotheosis might be said to ha!
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occurred in the <BR>influential journal edited by Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews known <BR>as L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E, which first appeared in 1978. In that journal, <BR>various poets connected both directly and indirectly with the movement <BR>presented essays and discussions about poetics, with a particular <BR>emphasis on the political register of poetry. In the introduction to <BR>The L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E Book, an anthology collecting the run of the <BR>magazine, Andrews and Bernstein explain that their intent in editing <BR>the journal was to create a forum that “emphasized a spectrum of <BR>writing that placed its attention on language and ways of making <BR>meaning, that takes for granted neither vocabulary, grammar, process, <BR>shape, syntax, program, or subject matter” (ix). Although Palmer did <BR>periodically publish in the journal L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E, and although he <BR>also studied at Harvard in the 1970s as did a number of the key names <BR>in the Language movement and !
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remains friends with these other <BR>poets), some of the group members saw Palmer as also being distinct in <BR>that he seemed less invested in conscious Marxist critique or and his <BR>poetry less overtly informed by critical theory of the Frankfort School <BR>variety. At the same time, there is no overlooking the profound <BR>influence philosophy has had on his work, and traces of Wittgenstein, <BR>Heidegger, and others are evident in the work at the level of allusion <BR>and even quotation. It may be, the, that the difference between Palmer <BR>and the language poets may be the difference between philosophy and <BR>critical theory. <BR><BR>The question did arise as to what are the aesthetic investments that <BR>poetry like Palmer’s might reflects and how does one establish the <BR>means of reflection. What are the governing compositional (and thus <BR>formal) criteria? Some members suggested that the poems’ discursivity <BR>discovers its own internal logic as its method !
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cohesion <BR>and “ongoingness.” Indeed, many pointed to the parataxis and <BR>repetitions as the way that the poetry both creates intellectual, <BR>tonal, and sonic textures that reveal disjunctions and suture together <BR>the fragments and aphoristic tendencies of the lines—some of which are <BR>prose lines and some of which are verse, all within a single sequence. <BR>Along the way, various forebears of Palmer’s were identified, including <BR>Robert Duncan, Louis Zukofsky, and Gertrude Stein. This may suggest <BR>how Palmer serves as a kind of link between the New American Poetry <BR>(usually identified by the famous anthology of the same name edited by <BR>Donald Allen in the 1960s, which included amongst others Charles Olson, <BR>Robert Creeley, Robert Duncan, Denise Levertov) and the Language poets <BR>(which usually is thought to include along with Bernstein and Andrews, <BR>Barrett Watten, Ron Silliman, Lyn Heijinian, Bob Perlman, Robert <BR>Grenier, and others). The!
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group privileged voice (especially in <BR>Olson’s idea as a the breath as a compositional unit) whereas the <BR>latter sought to deconstruct the idea of presence in poetic <BR>composition, focusing instead on the materiality of language. <BR><BR>There was also serious discussion of what the work adds up to. Some <BR>saw Palmer’s simultaneous positing and negating of claims as making the <BR>work disingenuous or at least took away the possibility for any claims <BR>that might cohere—and thus maintain a meaningfulness. Does the <BR>poetry’s destabilizing of itself (both in terms of form and content) <BR>render the work more than simply opaque but profoundly meaningless? Or <BR>does the poetry both open up the poem to larger spectrum of <BR>meaningfulness as it questions both the model of lyric poetry as the <BR>site for a cohesive subjectivity or as a kind enactment of stable, <BR>authentic truths? Or do these paradoxes dismantle overdetermined, <BR>systematic thought clearin!
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for a kind of silence to speak. In <BR>short, the very central questions of what poetry does—culturally, <BR>spiritually, affectively, and philosophically are confronted in reading <BR>Palmer’s poems, and how one resolves those issues speaks to the range <BR>of the reader’s own investments.<BR><BR>The group decided that since Palmer is reading Weds at 4 at the <BR>Beinecke Library, we would carry the discussion over to our next <BR>meeting to see how the reading might inform way we might respond to the <BR>poems. Anyone wishing to join the conversation may pick up photocopies <BR>of the reading at the Whitney Humanities Center. We meet again on <BR>Friday, November 12 to resume our discussion of Palmer's work.<BR><BR><BR>“The Working Group in Contemporary Poetry and Poetics met every other <BR>Friday at 1:45 PM in room 116 at the Whitney Humanities Center at Yale <BR>University to discuss problems and issues of contemporary poetry within <BR>international alternative and /or
avant-garde traditions of lyric <BR>poetry. All are welcome to attend.” <BR><BR>---R. Deming, group secretary<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Wgcp-whc mailing list<BR>Wgcp-whc@mailman.yale.edu<BR>http://mailman.yale.edu/mailman/listinfo/wgcp-whc<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Norbert Hirschhorn MD<br>Nastolantie 6 A3, 00600 Helsinki, <br>Finland<br>Tel/Fax 358-9-752-1819