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<div class="">This is a kind of long thread, but I want to make sure that you’re aware of this feature/gotcha with moving components in ArchivesSpace. The order that you select components to move will determine the order that they end up after you move them.
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hey Allyson,</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Yeah, I didn't know about it either until I went through the code last summer trying to figure how everything worked. It seemed like it was intentional but it took me awhile to figure out why...turns
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">For example, look at this screen grab:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Let's say I Ctl- select Folders 7,8,9,10,11 in that order then move them to the top of the list. The result is: </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Items with Folder 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 are now in the order I selected. </div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Maybe unexpected, but useful. </div>
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<div class="">This was actually the issue I had just noticed here at Colgate.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank" class="">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class="">
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Just a quick note related to the reordering issues...</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">One thing I've notice that some people are not aware of is that the multiselect batch moves depend on the order in which you multiselect. For example, if you first select an Archival Object and shift
select several records above it, then move those records in a block, you're block will be moved in inverted order.</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">For example:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If I select AO 4, then shift select AO 3 and AO 2 and move them to above AO 1, my result will be:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">The same is for ctl- select. The block you're moving depends on the order you select. This is the intended functionality...</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hi Ben,</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Sure, I guess I would start out again by just mentioning again that part of the problem with this problem is that it's not a problem, but rather a series of problems. We've been closing out a lot of
the issues, but since there's so much going on in ArchivesSpace, it's really dependent on a lot of factors. </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">So, it's really helpful to know a few things...one would be a general description of the record ( Accession? Resource? Digital Object? Archival Object? Digital Object Component? Classification? ). And
especially the size of the records involved ( especially the number of records you tried to move and how many siblings that record has ). </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Also good to know if your data was imported from an EAD, migrated from Archon/AT, or made from scratch in the application. Also good to know if you've done any transfers for this data ( although these
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">It's also helpful to know what the user did. Did they click on one record and try and move it or Was it a multiselected batch? Was the multiselect a shift- multiselect or a ctl- multiselect? Did you
start from the top and go down on the multiselect or from the bottom and then go up? If it was a ctl- multiselect, what order did you select the records? (more on this in a followup email ) Did you move the record(s) down the list in the same series or up
the list in the same series? Or did you re-parent the records into a new series?</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">And it's really helpful if you can replicate this somewhere we can look at the records. Like in the sandbox or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__test.archivesspace.org&d=AwMF-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JgH2YCQ8D3P9-Lm_x4bv3d2CZBYlbx6hxnLFHtfovi8&m=Sc8Xi8D2VBc-_O54sBEzEU01xflxMbMiklrTOB_Ptfo&s=73iunNzJhaA5t2C4TtkLkcgyGci1_6ZnTZi8jkmPXYo&e=" target="_blank" class="">test.archivesspace.org</a>. </div>
<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Also very helpful if people can test out changes we've made on the dev releases prior to the version release.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">We have people on the TAC and UAC testing this out, so if people want to volunteer to test, I think they would be welcome. </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">And, of course, it would be really great it the community could start troubleshooting locally and producing code fixes ( or at least tests ) and sending in pull-requests. </div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">In regards to tracking, I'd mention we do have a Jira issue tracker, but I'd leave it to the community to decide what's the best way to track these kinds of support issues...</div>
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<div class="">Could you just take a moment to lay out for us what specific information is required to troubleshoot this issue, so we can all start collecting/sharing data in a helpful way? What specific information about the server environment do you need to
know? And how would you like us to share what the data looks like? Would attaching an XML version of the record suffice?</div>
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<div class="">And is there a better way to collect this data from the institutions experiencing this issue than the listserv? I think it may be worth looking for ways we as a community can start working<span style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 13.3333330154419px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class=""> more
stridently toward a solution on this. It's disconcerting t<span style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 13.3333330154419px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">his
issue has lingered through several versions of ASpace especially since, a</span><span style="font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 13.3333330154419px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;" class="">s
Emma suggested, this issue is kind of a deal-breaker when encountered. It not only stifles work, it also creates distrust by users working in the system, which works against our efforts to advocate for ASpace locally at our institutions, and more broadly in
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Thanks. One thing to keep in mind is that LYRASIS hosting is separate from the ArchivesSpace, so if you're having problems with the application, you should send that information to the ArchivesSpace
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<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Also, going through all these "reordering issues", one of the problems with troubleshooting this has been it is heavily depending on how the data is structured, what user is doing, and the server environment.
So, it's really helpful to get a description of what the data looks like, what actions the user was doing, and your server environment ( in your case, you're hosted, which is enough information ). </div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:58 PM<br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I’ll chime in and say that reordering has continued with the update to 1.3.0. I have not resequenced since the upgrade, which MIGHT fix the problem, but two archivists
have identified that it still happens at the RAC. Sometimes the finding aids are large, but sometimes they are just medium sized.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">How much RAM do you have for the application and for the MySQL server? When reordering components with lots of siblings ( hundreds or thousands ), the positions of all the sibling components need to be
updated. If you're running into a bottle neck on the server, this can timeout and cause the reordering to be incomplete. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I've recently added some code that freezes the tree until the move operation has been completed, which should help with this problem. Closing the record does not actually do anything other than change
the browser's page. If you refresh the page, it will refresh the tree as well. </span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Dear ArchivesSpace</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We are continuing to encounter the component re-ordering problem when we edit resources even though we have recently upgraded to the latest version of ArchivesSpace.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">For example, we created a new resource record by importing an EAD XML finding aid to ArchivesSpace. We then started editing the resource record, creating new
components and moving existing components around the component hierarchy. Screenshots of the edited version, prior to closing the resource record, are attached (Set 1). As soon as the resource record was closed, many of the components re-ordered themselves
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">We then tried re-re-ordering the components, one change at a time (Edit - change – Close, Edit – change – Close, etc.). Following this method, the preferred
order of components did seem to ‘stick’. However, this is not a viable solution as this adds significantly to the time required to make even minor changes to resource records and will greatly hamper our use of ArchivesSpace for resource description and is
virtually impossible when dealing with some of our larger collections which have thousands of components in them.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This is extremely frustrating and means that we are unable to undertake any detailed work or data entry at component level of Resource Records as it is too difficult
to use. This is a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">critical</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">problem</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for us as we are currently in a massive finding-aid project
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Is there any advice on the delivery of a solution to this problem? It seems to have been around for a long time and we would be extremely grateful to see an urgent
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I would be happy to log this as a Bug if someone could send me advice on how to do so.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);" class="">Emma Jolley</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);" class="">| Curator
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e:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:emma.jolley@nla.gov.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">emma.jolley@nla.gov.au</a>|t: 02 6262 1456|</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nla.gov.au_ms&d=AwMF-g&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=JgH2YCQ8D3P9-Lm_x4bv3d2CZBYlbx6hxnLFHtfovi8&m=Sc8Xi8D2VBc-_O54sBEzEU01xflxMbMiklrTOB_Ptfo&s=DaNhByOHGtPEslBBzwoSkELliUultuzYzh5_Nu7hq7k&e=" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Century Gothic', sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 54, 93);" class="">www.nla.gov.au/ms</span></a></span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:archivesspace_users_group-bounces@lyralists.lyrasis.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks for this and sorry about the pain this has been causing. A few points:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1) Just to clarify, this isn't a 1.1.0 bug. It's actually affects all versions of AS.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2) Payton from Hudson Molongo's patch is included into github now, but I still need to write tests for it. If you want the fix now, you can do a fresh build on the current version in github. and let us
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">3) In regards to process, I think the problem was that this was reported along with another similar issue involving instances re-ordering. Also, in trying to replicate this issue, I mistakenly assumed
that it was strictly a "drag-and-drop" issue and was missing the key edit part of the problem, so I wasn't able to see the problem immediately.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But, regardless, we all need to make sure that PT tickets get made for any bug or feature request. If its not in PT, it's probably not going to be addressed. </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm also trying to think of ways we can ensure discussions generated here get captured into tickets, with good suggestions. Anyone have some suggestions on things that work or that they think might work?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Let me know what you think.</span></div>
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Skype: chrisfitzpat | Phone:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:918.236.6048" target="_blank" class="">918.236.6048</a><br class="">
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 14, 2014 9:51 PM<br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Georgia, serif;" class="">Thanks to everyone who's been testing this and reporting back to the list. At Penn State we have not had a chance to test this yet as we haven't upgraded to 1.1, but I would just add that
this particular bug has led us to effectively freeze all data entry at the component level of resource records, because the results are just too unpredictable and difficult to remediate. I suspect that other ASpace users might feel the same way. I would hope
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Digital Records Archivist<br class="">
Penn State University Libraries<br class="">
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Yes, just to reiterate what Allyson, Elliot, and Teresa have shared - this happens at random but does not seem to be directly correlated (at least for us) to actually dragging/dropping/moving components.
A case in point: I've been going through and adding access restriction notes to various components within existing administrative collections. Last week I clicked on several existing components in a resource record, added conditions governing access notes
to those components, saved the changes, and went about the rest of my day. The following day I pulled up the resource to answer a reference question and, lo and behold, it appeared as if someone had dipped a giant wooden spoon into the cauldron that was the
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Payten - Thanks for sharing this code, but just to confirm, have you tested this fix against the scenario I describe (editing but not moving a component)? I just want clarification since the description
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Chris - Do we have a timeline for this release? We are seeing many benefits to our transition to ArchivesSpace, but this problem has been a constant thorn in our sides since we first reported it in
June. We had hoped that 1.1.0 would resolve this issue (as we'd been told it would), but we remain anxious for the day when we can rest assured that ArchivesSpace gnomes won't enter our resources at night and scramble them all about.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Chris Fitzpatrick <<a href="mailto:Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Chris.Fitzpatrick@lyrasis.org</a>>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks!</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi there Chris, Allyson,</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chris, this looks like a little bug in the tree.js where we aren’t checking the correct node.. the comment says the right thing while the code does the wrong thing. Here’s a gist of a potential patch:</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I select and go to edit ‘AO Child 3’. When that form is visible I drag ‘AO Child 4’ above to become the first sibling. I then continue to edit ‘AO Child 3’ and refresh the page. ‘A0 Child 3’ is now
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">Unfortunately, after upgrading to the newest release, we are still having this problem.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bmg17@psu.edu</a>> wrote:</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">But just to check, are you talking about reording the archival object tree for the resource or the order of things like notes and subjects?</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:19 PM<br class="">
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">At SAA this August, I was told it would be fixed in the next release.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Ben Goldman <<a href="mailto:bmg17@psu.edu" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">bmg17@psu.edu</a>> wrote:</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(33, 33, 33);" class="">I've just experienced an issue and on a cursory search can't tell if it's been noted in PivotalTracker yet or discussed here yet.</span><span style="" class=""></span></div>
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