Monarch culture problems

Gretchen Oosterhout dmatrix at
Mon May 5 18:26:47 EDT 1997

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At 03:58 AM 5/5/97 -0400, Anne Kilmer wrote:
>James J. Kruse wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 May 1997 Insectadv at AOL.COM wrote:
>> > Not knowing what state you are in.  There are several states in the
East that
>> > are wholesale spraying "Bacillus thuringiensis" to try and control the
>> > moth problem,  the product is also being used by some states and county
>> > vector control groups to control mosquito.
>> >
>> > Insect Adventures
>> >
>> As I recall, the monarch culture problem was with adults. In a nutshell,
>> Bt affects the digestive system of LARVAE by cutting it up with crystals.
>> There are different Bt strains targeting Leps, Diptera, and Coleoptera,
>> and sometimes combinations.  It is HIGHLY unlikely that Bt would be
>> affecting adults in the manner described.
>> I am far from a Bt proponent, but if we are going to be angry about Bt
>> useage, lets be angry for the "right" reasons and not perpetuate rumor!
>> Also, I have had cultures fail for years before Bt came along, and now it
>> seems to be the only possible reason for failure!
>> Cheers!
>> Jim Kruse
>> University of California at Berkeley
>> Dept. of Environ Sci, Policy and Mgmt.
>> Div. of Insect Biology
>> Sperling Lab
>> 201 Wellman Hall
>> Berkeley, California, 94720-3113
>> (510) 642-5114
>I suspect that the problem with the monarch females was that they were 
>squished too firmly when they were mated. Physical trauma could produce 
>the symptoms described.
>Is Bt communicable bug to bug? What happens to it in the bio-chain, when 
>a bird or another bug eats a dying caterpillar? Or when another 
>caterpillar eats it? 
>If the mosquito type Bt also kills blackfly larvae, what else does it 
>kill? And are we sure we want it to? Wholesale?
>Anne Kilmer
Gretchen Oosterhout, Ph.D.
System/decision analyst
Decision Matrix, Inc.
(503) 266-8692
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