FWD: Extinction and education
MWalker at gensym.com
Wed Sep 23 03:21:46 EDT 1998
Excuse me Ken, but I was NOT attempting to argue against evolution in this
thread. I was answering a question by Michael Gochfeld about my
interpretation of humans as stewards from the language of Genesis. If you
are looking for an argument, you can start one, but please don't put words
in my mouth. Am I not allowed to respond to a legitimate question? I am
not trying to peddle anything here, and I try to contribute to the
scientific content of this list on a regular basis. It really pisses me off
that you've turned this into "Mark Walker using the Bible to provide
scientific evidence of anything". Mark Walker has argued against evolution
based on inconsistencies that I perceive when I inspect the natural world.
Mark Walker has only used scripture on this list ONCE and that was to defend
my belief in a scriptural based interpretation that we were made stewards of
If you reject God, then you will reject my testimony, so there's really no
point in engaging in this discussion. If you want to interfere with my
right to free speech, so be it, but call it by no other name. If you want
to seperate all religious writings from science, you better start clearing
off your bookshelves. You Godless scientists are still just an emerging
phenomenon in the timeline of human discovery.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenelm Philip [SMTP:fnkwp at aurora.alaska.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 2:05 AM
> To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> Subject: RE: FWD: Extinction and education
> I have a problem with seeing the Bible (King James Version??) used
> as evidence in a discussion on evolution. Mark Walker claims Genesis
> provides evidence that humans are vegetarian. Yet I note the following:
> Genesis 1:30 reads: "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of
> the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is
> life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."
> So the KJV says that tigers, falcons, and carrion beetles are vegetarian?
> That's contrary to fact. Unless you claim that all these animals were
> vegetarian before Adam ate that fruit. And that idea would have
> consequences... Without carrion beetles, ants, and such the Garden of
> Eden would have gotten a bit messy in time. Also, a vegetarian tiger
> would be a very different beast indeed... And if insects all ate plants
> in the Garden, then a _lot_ of insects were suddenly created after the
> Furthermore, Genesis 9:3 says: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be
> meat for you." So by the same authority humans are not vegetarians in
> present fallen state.
> Also, if we are to use the Bible as a source of scientific data, what
> about Psalm 93: "Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved."
> No astronomer I know, myself included when I was one, can accept that as
> literal truth.
> I know, the Devil quotes Scripture to his purpose. But I think it's
> safer, with all due respect, to keep religious writings out of scientific
> discussions. (Now I shall bow my head and start dodging brickbats.)
> Ken Philip
> fnkpw at uaf.edu
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