Damn your reasonable. Not a very fun personality trait.... :) BTW - thanks for pushing Floyd up this way....not only did we need the 10" of rain...but the stream behind my house was WAY higher than I've ever seen it. -- Mike Soukup mikayak at ix.netcom.com Web Page => http://pw1.netcom.com/~mikayak click here to send E-mail=> mailto:mikayak at ix.netcom.com