[LEPS-L:8015] Re: Monarch extinction

Mark Walker MWalker at gensym.com
Tue Nov 28 16:35:15 EST 2000


Interesting list from John Shuey.

Question:  There is still a population of Neophasia menapia that flies in
the Tehachapi Mountains north of Los Angeles.  Does anyone know if this is
different from the ssp. tehachapina that is identified in John's list?  Just
curious.

Mark Walker.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Shuey [mailto:jshuey at tnc.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 11:43 AM
> To: leps
> Subject: [LEPS-L:8012] Re: Monarch extinction
> 
> 
> Here's a list of extinct and presumably extinct (or missing 
> in action - not seen
> for decades) butterfly taxa from the US that was pulled down 
> from the Bioserve
> website (took about 3 minutes to conduct the search).  I 
> simply searched species
> and subspecies known to be extinct (GX or TX) and those 
> thought to be extinct (GH
> and TH).  Here's what the US heritage programs think:
> 
> <http://www.natureserve.org/aboutd.htm>  If you go to this 
> link, you can probably
> search each species individually to see what the contributing 
> factors were.
> 
> Invertebrates Insects
> 
>   IILEPH2072
>            Calephelis rawsoni freemani
>               FREEMAN'S METALMARK
>                                        G4TH
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         TX
> 
> IILEPN7014
>            Cercyonis pegala wheeleri
>               WHEELER'S SATYR
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> IILEPN7033
>            Cercyonis sthenele sthenele
>               GREAT BASIN WOOD NYMPH
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> IILEPP7010
>            Euploea eleutho
>               MARIANES EUPLOEA BUTTERFLY
>                                         GXQ
> 
>   IILEPG4025
>            Glaucopsyche lygdamus xerces
>               XERCES BLUE
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> IILEPG8019
>            Icaricia icarioides pheres
>               PHERES BLUE
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> 
>    IILEP99012
>            Neophasia menapia tehachapina
>               PINE WHITE
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> IILEP90022
>            Parnassius clodius strohbeeni
>               STROBEEN'S PARNASSIAN
>                                         G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> IILEPG1012
>            Philotes sonorensis extinctus
>               SONORA BLUE
>                                        G3G4TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> 
>    IILEPJ6142
>            Speyeria adiaste atossa
>               ATOSSA
>                                        G1G2TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> 
>    IILEPJ609H
>            Speyeria callippe ssp. 1
>               WILLAMETTE CALLIPPE FRITILLARY
>                                         G5TH
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         OR
> 
>    IILEPJ6089
>            Speyeria zerene myrtleae
>               MYRTLE'S SILVERSPOT
>                                         G5TX
>                                              LE
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> 
>    IILEPJA053
>            Thessalia leanira obsoleta
>               LEANIRA CHECKERSPOT
>                                        G4G5TX
>                                                     USA:
>                                                         CA
> 
> --
> John Shuey
> Director of Conservation Science
> Indiana Office of The Nature Conservancy
> 
> phone:  317-923-7547
> fax:  317-923-7582
> email:  Jshuey at tnc.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> rworth at oda.state.or.us wrote:
> 
> > Chris,  I'll start with some of the obvious ones.  In the 
> SF bay area
> > where I grew up you have Glaucopsyche xerces, Cercyonis sthenele
> > sthenele from the city proper and Parnassius clodius(phoebus?
> > smintheus?-- don't remember) strohbeeni in the Santa Cruz Mts.  All
> > three really seem gone for good.  I also worked on a project in the
> > Florida Keys looking for a quite possibly unique race of Hesperia
> > meskei.  Was not found by us and hasn't been seen in years.  Needs
> > further looking into.
> > Cheers,   Rich
> > P.S.  New conspiracy theory....H. meskei was abducted by 
> pregnant chads.
> >
> > >I agree that there are an awful lot of species on the 
> brink of extinction
> > >but as long as there is a place for them to live naturally 
> they should
> > >survive. What I want is a count of those we definitely 
> know have gone
> > >extinct. That is what the skeptics I converse with ask 
> for! Generalities
> > >and approximations just will not do. How can we have credibility as
> > >conservationists if we cannot produce the number of 
> species lost? How can
> > >our predictions of rate of species loss be taken seriously 
> if we have no
> > >numbers of species historically lost?
> > >   I am surprised that such a count has not been prepared. 
> Send me your
> > >butterfly candidates so we can put together a list here. 
> Remember that,
> > >like dimpled chads, cryptic species do count!
> > >.............Chris Durden
> > >
> > >
> > >At 09:13  28/11/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >"Chris J. Durden" wrote:
> > >  >>   Does anyone have or have a reference to a list of 
> species that have
> > >  >> become extinct in the last 400 years? A geographic 
> plot of the last known
> > >  >> colony of each of these species would be instructive. 
> I mean totally gone
> > >  >> like Passenger Pigeon or Dodo, not almost gone like 
> Ivory Billed
> > >Woodpecker.
> > >  >>   Do we even have a firm list of butterfly species that have
> > >become extinct
> > >  >> in North America, or in Europe? Is this list as small 
> as I expect, or can
> > >  >> someone substantiate a robust list?
> > >  >> ............Chris Durden
> > >  >
> > >  >wellll ... they keep showing up again, don't they. The 
> bugs, anyway. Or
> > >  >they're subspecies that you can't tell from their 
> nearest relative
> > >  >without dissection or DNA analysis.
> > >  >
> > >  >I think the real problem is habitat destruction, and if 
> only we could
> > >  >focus on that, we'd do better. The butterflies are 
> indicators, of
> > >  >course, but the people are not fooled by our invention 
> of snail darters
> > >  >in trouble, or flower flies or whatever.
> > >  >We're willing to worry about *us* in trouble, but we've 
> accustomed the
> > >  >"great unwashed" to the notion that a plant lost means 
> a cancer cure
> > >  >lost. It is improbable that any lep will provide a cure 
> for lymphoma. In
> > >  >fact, I bet you guys aren't even checking for that. ;-)
> > >  >As for the mammals, we keep finding them just before 
> they vanish ...
> > >  >tiny lemurs and such. There are a lot on the brink; 
> actually gone is
> > >  >another story. And, again, the splitters have muddied 
> the waters.
> > >  >Anne Kilmer
> > >  >Palm Beach County
> > >  >The butterfly ballot is also an endangered species, and 
> does anybody
> > >  >care? Not only a subspecies, but a pest.
> >
> > Richard A. Worth
> > Oregon Department of Agriculture
> > Plant Division
> > rworth at oda.state.or.us
> > (503) 986-6461
> >
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> --
> John Shuey
> Director of Conservation Science
> Indiana Office of The Nature Conservancy
> 
> phone:  317-923-7547
> fax:  317-923-7582
> email:  Jshuey at tnc.org
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