MAES & Monarch subspeciation

Ron Gatrelle gatrelle at
Sat Oct 14 14:58:22 EDT 2000

>From Ron,
    Chris, properly framed.  I agree completely. There are real threats to
the overwintering monarchs. I just do not appreciate those who are screaming
fire in the theater, paying for tags (for any reason), or have too much of
their life's income based on crisis perpetuation.
    I think we could get more protection for N.A. plexippus WHERE NEEDED if
the subspecies were published and recognized. I think A. Brower should do
this. I think we at TTR would agree to publish such a paper. It currently
only takes us about two months from article review/acceptance to
publication. TTR is, in my view, the most logical avenue for the quick (but
not careless) description of newly discovered endangered leps.
Ron Gatrelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris J. Durden" <drdn at>
To: "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: MAES & Monarch subspeciation

> I agree we are talking here only about an endangered phenomenon for part
> a species. It would take an extreme splitter to argue that THE MONARCH is
> even an endangered subspecies!
>   I agree also that the monarch overwintering clusters in Michoacan and
> Mexico are a world class phenomenon on a par with the redwood groves and
> the huge chestnut trees in the coves of the Apalachians. They should not
> wilfully trashed, but niether should they be exploited to the detriment of
> lepidoptery.
> .........Chris Durden
> At 03:02  14/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >    D. plexippus' range is North, Central, and South America, West
> >Cocos Island, Philippines, Australia, Sulawesi, Moluccas, New Guinea, and
> >occasional migrations to western Europe (DeVries, 1987). (Strange range
> >an endangered species.)
> >Ron Gatrelle
> >
> >

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