False connection

Heath, Fred Fred.Heath at power-one.com
Wed Jun 13 16:58:39 EDT 2001

	Now I am really confused. Paul is stating the official position of
	Believe me there is no official policy to place restrictions on
collecting. NABA does in its written statement encourage the enjoyment of
butterflies through "non-consumptive" means. If you'd like you can
substitiute "without collecting", but it is only by a pretty large stretch
to get from there to the purpose of  "discouraging collecting". Again I
personally know of no one, including, Jeff Glassberg that is
	Has NABA taken a stand in writing about butterfly releases?
Absolutely (it's on the web site). And this clearly doesn't include raising
local butterflies for educational purposes. Although many might disagree, it
again it not anti-collecting, as someone posted recently these are
completely different topics.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Chris J. Durden [SMTP:drdn at mail.utexas.edu]
> Sent:	Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:03 PM
> To:	monarch at saber.net
> Cc:	leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> Subject:	Re: False connection
> Thank you Paul for pointing out this clear indication of the official 
> position of NABA.
>     If they have recently changed these positions to something a little 
> more tolerant of other serious viewpoints I would be happy to support
>     As long as their stated mission is to suppress the collection of 
> butterflies for any purpose and suppress the use of butterflies in 
> performence art (yes that is what the releases are) or other art forms - I
> want to have nothing to do with NABA.
>     I am more offended by the Lippizaner Stallion show than I am by 
> Monarchs released at a wedding. Released Monarchs are much more 
> environmentally friendly than are released balloons which tend to choke
> the 
> animals that find and eat them, including Sea Turtles and young Seals.
>     Yes this is butterfly business. Yes the topic is getting old and 
> boring, but the anti-collectors keep mentioning it again and again.
> ..................Chris Durden
> At 11:25 PM 6/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >The similarity is that both activities are very popular
> >ways the public enjoys butterflies. For example, the public
> >is enjoying releasing butterflies so much this year that almost
> >every breeder in the USA and Canada is sold out right now and
> >has to turn down orders.
> >
> >According to NABA's website http://www.naba.org/purpose.html
> >"NABA's mission is to increase public enjoyment
> >and conservation of butterflies"
> >
> >In my recent posts I have pointed out that it is ironic that
> >NABA discourages two very popular ways the public enjoys
> >butterflies: collecting/pinning and breeding/releasing. For
> >example, in a previous post I wrote:
> >
> >NABA's position on Collectors and Pinners:
> >
> >* Discourage the interest in collecting insects.
> >
> >* Use this advocacy of no collecting to obtain state restrictions on
> >the activities of those who do not share the same view.
> >
> >NABA's postion on Breeders and Releasers:
> >
> >http://www.naba.org/qanda.html
> >http://www.naba.org/action.html
> >
> >*"Releasing commercially-raised butterflies into the environment is
> >an act of anti-environmental terror"
> >
> >*"Please let the USDA and the Dept. of the Interior know that you
> >object to the  interstate shipment of commercially-raised
> >butterflies intended for release into the environment.
> >Here are some of the reasons you can provide to them why these
> >shipments and releases should not be provided:"
> >
> >Since some collectors and pinners regard breeders and releasers as
> >"entomology's lowlifes", I can understand why they might be
> >uncomfortable with the implication that "collecting/pinning and
> >breeding/releasing" are equivalent.
> >
> >Paul Cherubini, Placerville, Calif.
> >
> >
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