more Thunberg, 1791

[Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX]

simple question; simple answer. There is no argument; there is an effort to
clarify the authorship of some butterfly names. I cannot go out and catch a
bug because I live in a part of the world that is often humorously referred
to as "the great white north" -- there is nothing to catch at his time of
year :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: 1_iron [mailto:1_iron at msn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:05 AM
To: Ron Gatrelle; Leps-l
Cc: spruance at infinet.com
Subject: Re: more Thunberg, 1791


Hey:

Why are y'all arguing about this when you could be out catching a bug?

Jim Taylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Gatrelle" <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
To: "Leps-l" <Leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
Cc: <spruance at infinet.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: more Thunberg, 1791


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric or Pat Metzler" <spruance at infinet.com>
> Subject: Re: Thunberg, 1791
>
>
> > Ron Gatrelle wrote:
> >
> > snip
> > I guess I should give my verdict based on Eirc's (Metzler's) info.  It
is
> > still inclusive.  It could be that the "authorship" of the book was
> > Becklin's but the "authorship" in the text coined by Thunberg.  Or,
> Becklin
> > was the author of both the book and the names.  If this latter situation
> is
> > the case, then one is left to wonder how Thunberg's name ever got in
> there
> > at all?
>
> Eric wrote:
> > I recommend that some research be done before wading in too deep with
> > conclusions.
>
> This is what I just said... "It is still inclusive."
>
> > There is no wonder how Thumberg's name got there.
>
> My wording was not clear and was thus misleading.  The "there" I was
> referring to was not the publication - that is understood.  The "there" is
> as author of the names _in subsequent literature_ IF Becklin was clearly
> listed as the author of both the book [papers] and the names in the
> original.
>
> > It is not a book.  It is a series of 9 or so issues in a serial
> > publication entitled "D.D dissertatio entomologica sistens Insecta
> > Svecica, quroum partem primam, cons. exper. facult. med. upsal."
> > praeside Carol. P. Thunberg.  1784 - 1795.
> >
> > The issue in question is "...Partem Secundem...Praeside Car. P.
> > Thunberg...Publico Examini Subjicit Petrus Ericus Becklin,..."  The
> > title page is clear - no one overlooked Becklin's name.
>
> My Latin is non existent.  But this looks to me like Thunberg published
> information totally compiled by Becklin.  This is all addressed in Article
> 50.
>
> > An examination of the publication is required before other avenues of
> > research can be undertaken.
>
> Full circle.  As I have been saying it all goes to the OD.  No, no other
> research is needed.  In fact, if the correct author of the names is
> Becklin, it is the post OD literature etc. that has screwed this issue of
> authorship up.  If the 1791 paper meets the ICZN rules as a valid
> publicaton, and the names are thus validly published and available names
> from  _that_ 1791 publication, then the only issue is who in the OD
> specifically authored each specific name.
>
> > Much other information is required before
> > the authorship can be determined with accuracy.  Perhaps there is some
> > correspondence, perhaps there are other articles, possibly in other
> > journals that clarify the authorship.  There are many possibilities
> > before one jumps to any conclusion about why authorities ignored
> > Becklin's name in favor of Thunberg.
>
> Eric, I assume you have a copy of the Vol. 4 code (which is the only code
> version that counts).  Please tell us how - per the code (give Article and
> number) correspondence or papers post the 1791 OD would affect the
> authorship.
>
> Sunny 80 degree cheers from Charleston
> Ron
>
>
>
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