Common Names update

[Hank Brodkin]

OK guys - here my two bits:
If we want to give sub-species common names - how about calling butterflies,
or whatever, as follows using Juniper Hairstreak (Callophrys gryneus as an
example):

Nominate race (or form) of Juniper Hairstreak.
nelsoni race (or form) of Juniper Hairstreak
muiri race (or form) of Juniper Hairstreak
etc.
Probably the above is a bad example as some splitting appears to be in the
works.

Just an idea for those who want common names for subspecies and for those of
us who would like to learn to differentiate between races without drivng
those who don't up the wall ;-)



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Hank Brodkin
Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ
hbrodkin at earthlink.net
SouthEast Arizona Butterfly Association (SEABA)
http://www.naba.org/chapters/nabasa/home.html
"Butterflies of Arizona - a Photographic Guide"
by Bob Stewart, Priscilla Brodkin and Hank Brodkin
http://home.earthlink.net/~hbrodkin/book.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert beiriger" <robert.beiriger at worldnet.att.net>
To: "leplists" <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Common Names update


> Mike and all:
>
>     Just to add my two cent onto Mike Quinn's e-mail and to say I strongly
> agree with Mike.
>
> 1.    I know from personal experience that there in several of families of
> Hymenoptera you will not if be able to even get a species ID.  Even the
> "experts" can not tell the species apart and will stop at the genus.  You
> can not get subspecies until you can at tell the species apart.
>
> 2.     In longhorn beetles and others (Scarabs) there really is not a lot
of
> good subspecies described.  If you get a red and a green form of a beetles
> from the same location they sometimes are considered different subspecies.
> I do not believe that this is the correct use of a subspecies.
>
> 3.      I think most people want to find something new and spend too much
> time describing very small differences in a population.
>
>
> Robert Beiriger
> Loxahatchee,FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Quinn <Mike.Quinn at tpwd.state.tx.us>
> To: 'Leps-L' <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Common Names update
>
>
> > Ron, In your three replies, you attempted to rebut every single sentence
> > except the following:
> >
> > "There's a strong correlation between the number of subspp. a taxon has
> and
> > the number of amateur enthusiasts involved. Examples include Tiger and
> > Longhorn Beetles, Butterflies, Orchids, and Cacti (though the latter two
> are
> > further split by crossbreeding). I believe there are relatively few
> subspp.
> > described for Moths, Diptera, and Hymenoptera. This is not to suggest
that
> > there is no utility to subspp. Apis mellifera L. has numerous important
> > subspp."
> >
> > This is the crux of my view of subspecies. If someone tried to publish a
> > paper today describing a bunch of subspp. of Staphylinids, Braconids, or
> > Chalcidoids I think he or she would be politely asked to get a life.
> >
> > Your reference to the doctor with too many patients is an apt analogy
for
> > today's ever older and ever fewer systematists. I think their time would
> be
> > best spent working on the many entomological groups which have no
> specialist
> > rather than further dividing the charismatic butterflies.
> >
> > Mike Quinn
> >
> > PS: I don't recall mentioning my political persuasion. For all you know,
I
> > voted for Nader!
> >
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