It is Paul Ehrlich's fault!

Patrick Foley patfoley at csus.edu
Sun Jan 6 11:07:18 EST 2002


I blame Paul Ehrlich for all the embarrassingly dumb posts to the Leps
list this year (2002). If only Paul could control himself, we could too.

Patrick
patfoley at csus.edu

1_iron wrote:

> Mike Soukup, you've got smart brains. Wish I had said that. Jim Taylor
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Mike Soukup
>      To: monarch at saber.net
>      Cc: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
>      Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:34 PM
>      Subject: Re: Niel Jones' response to Ron Gatrelle
>       I have not followed this thread closely for many reasons.
>      However, my two cents from far-far out in right field is
>      this:  Extincion - whether we like it or not, is the natural
>      order of ALL living things.  If I could stop that, the first
>      thing I would do would be to stop my own impending
>      extinction!!!  There are millions of more species that have
>      gone extinct than there are species living on the earth
>      today....and that's just on one measly little planet in a
>      backwater solar system in the boondocks of one of the outer
>      spiral arms of one of the smaller galaxies in the universe.
>      Had the dinosaurs not gone extinct, we would not be here
>      now.  So, in that case, I would think maybe Neil would want
>      to consider the value of extinction.  For instance, I
>      believe that smallpox or polio or  some other bacteria was
>      "made extinct" and is only now preserved in CDC labs and
>      such.  Is this a "bad" thing??  I think not.
>          Once again, I think many conservationists are blinded to
>      thier own impotence.  They think humans have control over
>      the planet.  VERY egotistical.  And, also, ludicrous.  That
>      said, I consider myself a conservationist.  I do everything
>      I can in my little sphere to keep things going.  But, I am
>      also a realist.  Trying to maintain the diversity of our
>      flora and fauna as is is as impossible as trying to stop the
>      earth's rotation.  You can't do it.  It's bigger than you.
>      And, once again, I have to point out that we are part of
>      nature - not separate and above it - or different from it -
>      but merely a part of it.  I've stated it before and it bears
>      repeating.  We are not the driver of this car.  We aren't
>      even really passengers....we are part of the car.  And, even
>      if we are the engine or the steering wheel....I still don't
>      think we are the ones deciding where the vehicle is going to
>      go!  And, thinking we ARE in control is like the steering
>      wheel thinking it's driving.
>
>      Oh, and the ad hominem attacks and linking people with
>      listening to Rush Limbaugh "don't make it".  See, first of
>      all, if everyone on this list actually listened to Rush for
>      3 weeks, then listened to Neil for 3 weeks, I think they
>      would think Rush makes ALOT more sense and is much more
>      "mainstream"..  And, if the fascist name calling, Hitler
>      references are ALL the tools that one has resort to, then
>      you have lost the rational argument - and are, in fact,
>      wrong.
>
>      I only wish I had followed more closely to see where
>      everyone stands....but the holidays REALLY mess with my
>      routine!!!
>
>      Cherubini wrote:
>
>     > Kondla, Norbert wrote:
>     > >
>     > > Yeah, me too. I was "grossed out" by Neil's personal
>     > attack but this is not
>     > > the first time this has happened on this list.
>     >
>     > Neil has personally attacked me this week too in the same
>     > general manner
>     > as yourself, Ron Gatrelle, Mark Walker, etc:
>     > --------------------------------------------
>     > --------------------------------------------
>     > Subject: Mr Cherubini's affiliations
>     > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:06:05 GMT
>     > From: Neil Jones <entstore at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK>
>     > Reply-To: Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk
>     > To: ENTOMO-L at LISTSERV.UOGUELPH.CA
>     >
>     > We have been hearing a lot from Mr Paul Cherubini.
>     > I know that some people will know about his affiliations
>     > but others will not.
>     > It is of course important that ad-hominem attacks are not
>     > made. This is not
>     > my intention. However, it is important for people to know
>     > when some one is
>     > dissembling about their affiliations. It is also important
>     > for people to be
>     > aware of the eccentric world view of someone making these
>     > outrageous claims.
>     >
>     > My Cherubini's main role in life seems to be to act as a
>     > political activist
>     > for the "wise use" movement. This political movement is
>     > deliberately named to
>     > confuse and is actual aim is vehemently anti-conservation.
>     > It is perhaps best
>     > described in the words of one of its gurus Ron Arnold.
>     >
>     > "Our goal is to destroy, to eradicate the environmental
>     > movement. We want
>     > people to be able to exploit the environment for private
>     > gain, absolutely."
>     >
>     > Mr Cherubini seems to oppose _all_ conservation effort
>     > _on_principle_. He has
>     > become well known on other lists for spreading conspiracy
>     > theories which in
>     > the main seem to consist of attacks on "evil" Ph.D
>     > scientists.
>     >
>     > He has spread falsehoods and smears about people engaged
>     > in conservation. For
>     > example, when a keen conservationist appealed for people
>     > to help save the
>     > Palos Verdes Blue (which is arguably the world's rarest
>     > butterfly) from a
>     > construction development on its last remaining site, he
>     > immediately attacked
>     > her as doing it for money. (No money was asked for people
>     > were just asked to
>     > write letters and the person concerned is in fact a
>     > professional choreographer
>     > who couldn't benefit financially from it.)
>     >
>     > Similarly he has attacked efforts to conserve the
>     > endangered Quino Checkerspot
>     > with false information.
>     >
>     > He says that people don't like him because he kills
>     > insects. Well actually the
>     > truth is people don't like him because he tries to help
>     > make them _extinct_.!
>     > No one will be able to study them then.
>     >
>     > Many people will remember his attempt to misuse satellite
>     > photographs to claim
>     > there was no deforestation on the Mexican hibernation
>     > roosts of the monarch
>     > butterfly. Essentially his claim , if taken as honest,
>     > would boil down to the
>     > claim that low resolution photographs showed _more_ detail
>     > than high
>     > resolution ones.
>     >
>     > This distortion of data is a frequent feature of Mr
>     > Cherubini's postings.
>     > Time and time again you find that people have dicovered he
>     > is misquoting
>     > or selectively quoting to misrepresent.
>     >
>     > If people want to know more about this issue it would be
>     > interesting to read
>     > the new book "Four Wings and a Prayer" by Sue Halpern.
>     >
>     > The following extracts about Mr. Cherubini are
>     > interesting.
>     >
>     > Here Mr. Cherubini is talking about how he came to form
>     > his beliefs.
>     >
>     > "... I got depressed, seriously depressed. And my parents
>     > were having
>     > marital problems and the psychiatrist wanted to interview
>     > me to get a sense
>     > about what their problems were but then he realized I had
>     > problems too, and he
>     >  said "You're depressed, why do you think you have no
>     > future?" and I said
>     > "because these scientists have Ph.Ds," and he said ,
>     > "That's not right, you're paranoid,"
>     >
>     >  It goes on but experienced Cherubini watchers will
>     > recognise the theme.
>     >
>     > Another extract is this.
>     >
>     > "We went to Jack-in-the-Box for lunch. Paul explained how
>     > low-fat foods were
>     > unhealthy but no one could say that out loud in public
>     > because to do so would
>     > be to take on a huge part of the economy....... He looked
>     > normal but his
>     > ideas seemed a little off kilter, tending toward the
>     > second gunman/trilateral
>     > commission/ Vince Foster conspiracy side of things."
>     >
>     > Read the book to get the full story it is most
>     > interesting.
>     >
>     > --
>     > Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk
>     > http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/
>     > "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who
>     > speaks for the
>     > butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial
>     > at Crymlyn Bog
>     > National Nature Reserve
>     >
>     >
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