FW: Glassberg tells reporters collectors "could wipe out" the Mia mi Blue

[Grkovich, Alex]

I wanted to post this to the entire group.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Grkovich, Alex 
> Sent:	Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:58 PM
> To:	'Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK'
> Subject:	RE: Glassberg tells reporters collectors "could wipe out"
> the Mia        mi Blue
> 
> Neil, thanks for your response. Here are my comments.
>    Alex
> P.S. Sorry for being rude to you.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK [SMTP:Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:41 PM
> To:	leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> Subject:	RE: Glassberg tells reporters collectors "could wipe out"
> the Mia        mi Blue
> 
> On 10 Jan, in article
>      <D10E57119AA2D511A61800902773FBE51EFC70 at NTFS2>
>      agrkovich at tmpeng.com "Grkovich, Alex" wrote:
> 
> > YOU REFER TO THIS MAN AS A "CROOK". HAVE YOU NEVER COMMITTED A CRIME OF
> ANY
> > KIND? SEEMS TO ME SOMEONE ONE SAID: "LET HIM WHO IS SINLESS THROW THE
> FIRST
> > STONE..."
> > 
> > PLEASE GO AWAY.
> 
> There is no need to shout. :-) He is _a_crook_ because he was convicted
> of a large number of crimes. He is a convicted felon. 
> Myself I have not ever had so much as a parking ticket.
> [AG]  Neil, what offended me about your posts was the appearance that you
> have been using Kral's name as a weapon against someone like myself. I
> love to collect, but I collect harmlessly and I do not break laws. I
> collect out of a love for science which I have possessed since early
> childhood. I would be as devastated as anyone else who is responsible
> about conservation because if Leps (and all nature) disappeared the earth
> would be dreary place.
> 
> I infer from your post that you do not think that his crimes were serious.
> Even if that is not your intention others will come to the same
> conclusion.
> This includes a number of US Federal Goverment employees who are on this
> list.
> [AG]  Not at all. I do think his crimes were serious. I abhor (and I have
> stated this publicly on line numerous times) the wanton killing of
> anything for profit; particularly if done on Federal Land. I am
> particularly offended by Kral and his types because of the bad name they
> give someone like myself and ability of certain people (and I understand
> from speaking today with such people as Anne Kilmer that this was in fact
> not your intention) to use his name as a weapon.
> You, quite understandably, wish to promote the idea that collecting is 
> scientific  [AG]  To me, it is. and that those who do it are good guys.
> [AG]  I apologize; I am erather new to the lists, dating back to last
> April. The first thing I found was certain individuals (from
> MAssachusetts, for example) insulting me and debasing me on-line because I
> collect. I asked myself, why? What have I done wrong and what am I doing
> wrong? When I asked htem, I was ignored. There was no middle ground with
> these people, and no wil to accept me for what I certainly am, which is a
> scientist at heart if not by profession. Perhps this is the reason for my
> apparent "militarism".  I do not think that the best way to do it is to
> find the worst, most
> unscientific, _crook_ you can find and to trivialise his crimes. This will
> 
> only confirm the "feds" worst fears about collectors.
> [AG]  Again, I did not intend to do this. I do not personally know anyone
> who collects out of any motivation different than my own. I do not know
> any Tom Krals. 
> Now just like you I _don't_ want to see collecting banned.  [AG]  My
> deepest thanks; this is precisely my fear. I do not wish to harm anything
> and I do not as such wish to be harmed myself. I am only interested in
> assembling a scientifically oriented collection so I may study and learn
> from it, and so it may be of some potential use to others.I have no other
> interest, and would swear this on the Holy Bible. Please
> don't make arguments like this. It is damaging to _both_ our interests.
> [AG]   I will not. And, Scout's Honor, I will no longer insult you. -- 
> Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/
> "At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
> butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog
> National Nature Reserve
> 
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