the way it was in suburban habitats

[Barb Beck]

Earth to Paul... by the 60s big changes had taken place in the state!! Take
a look at the population between 1945 and 1965.  By then a lot of the damage
had been done.  The fact that you claim to have noticed nothing in the last
35 years means nothing when trying to say what was in the previous 20

All that says is that the Monarch populations had gone down before you
started your study

In the bay area you have a lot of semi wild habitat left - the top of the
Berkeley Campus and Strawberry hill if nothing else.  The horrid drop I was
describing was in the San Joaquin Valley - east of Visalia.

Barb Beck
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

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Sent: January 21, 2002 6:06 AM
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Subject: Re: the way it was in suburban habitats


Richard Worth wrote:

> Barb, I know what you are talking about.  I grew up in San Jose during the
> wonder years of the 70's and there were many more butterflies around
> even then.  I noticed species in our yard that you have to be in the
> hills to find now, like coronis frits and chalcedon checkerspots.
> Looking back, in the short period of time from the early 70's to the
> late 80's, I noticed a huge drop in numbers of butterflies.  The
> lemon bushes across the street regularly had Monarchs in numbers in
> the spring and summer, as well as cardui, zelicaon and others and
> LOTS of healthy honey bees. The Monarchs used to fill
> the sky over at the beach in the fall.  There were also a great many
> Gulf Frits around the passion vines.  The trees were loaded, even
> then, compared with today's numbers.  A very visible decline.  It
> seems the beginning of the end in California was around 1980.

Richard, I also grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late
60'/early 70's and worked there in the early 80's.  I conducted Lincoln
Index population estimates of some monarch overwintering sites in
the region such as the one at Natural Bridges in Santa Cruz. Other
researchers continued annual population estimates in the 80's and 90's.
No one has noticed any pattern of decline in monarch numbers in
in the region in 35 years of monitoring.  True, there are wild year to
year fluctuations and periods when there are 3 "good" monarch years
in a row or 3 "low" years in a row, but no discernable upward or downward
population trends. Ditto for the situation at the overwintering sites
in Mexico.

The decline in honey bees in San Jose, Calif. is understandable
considering how many fruit orchards were removed from the region
in the 70's and 80's and how many wild colonies of honey bees
were wiped out by varroa mites.

Zelicaon (Anise Swallowtail) is still abundant in the S.F. Bay
Area (e.g. Coyote Hills Regional Park and Arderwood State Historic
Farm in Fremont, CA ). Afterall, the host plant of zelicaon is an
abundant and exotic urban weed (Anise). Cardui and the Calif.
Tortoishell still swarm periodically through the Bay Area and Los Angeles
(the former did last spring).  I remember Gulf Frits being abundant
in the 60's then dissappearing for many years following the Dec. 1972
freeze that killed most of its host plants (garden passion vines).
Another freeze in Dec 1990 knocked the passion vines back a seond time.
To this day, however,  the Gulf Frit  has continued to be common
butterfly in the milder, less freeze devastated parts of the Bay Area such
as in Oakland and Berkeley.

In sum, I do not agree with your view that there has been "a huge drop"
in butterfly abundance in the S.F. Bay Area over the past 30 years -
just some localized drops where new subdivisions and industrial parks have
been built.

Paul Cherubini


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