[leps-talk] MALE x FEMALE emergence

[Anne Kilmer]

Hank Brodkin wrote:

> Nigel -
> Well put!
> 
> --------------------
> Hank Brodkin

Oh, I think so too. I merely said the dictionary agreed with Bob, not 
that he's right.
I want symbiosis to mean that the contracted parties act to their 
eventual mutual benefit, even if not their immediate pleasure.
When the lion lies down with the lamb, and only the lion gets up again, 
I don't think that's symbiosis. Nor do I consider the tick on my ankle a 
symbiont.
The small hive beetle is walled up in the bee hive, where it is fed by 
the bees perhaps until the bees perish and it comes forth to clean up 
the wax and bodies. That's not symbiosis in my book. Opportunistic 
parasitism.
Words change to accommodate the users, and I think most people referring 
to symbiosis think of relationships to the mutual benefit of all 
involved parties ... I'm doing this for your own good, says the 
caterpillar, as he chomps; In a pig's eye says the vine as it pumps up 
the poisons.
Words mean what we think they mean.
Cheers
Anne Kilmer
Mayo, Ireland


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Venters" <nigelventers at ntlworld.com>
> To: "Hank Brodkin" <hbrodkin at earthlink.net>; <rjparcelles at yahoo.com>; "Anne
> Kilmer" <viceroy at GATE.NET>; <drdn at mail.utexas.edu>
> Cc: <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 5:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [leps-talk] MALE x FEMALE emergence
> 
> 
> 
>>Hank et al-
>>Good point...I looked up Symbiosis in my 1989 "London Universal
>>
> Dictionary"
> 
>>and it gave me..."A relationship between two or more different organisms
>>
> in
> 
>>close association"...it then goes on to muddy the water by
>>stating......."Especially one that is of benefit to all the organisms
>>involved"
>>
>>So the process (Symbiosis..as I understand it) is that either one or both
>>organisms may benefit....but there is
>>a line drawn when the relationship is to the detriment of one of the
>>
> species
> 
>>involved...then you have parasitism.
>>
>>I agree that parasites do not usually kill their host...but they often
>>weaken it so it becomes more vulnerable to predation. Malaria is a
>>parasite...and often kills people...O.e. is a parasite...and often kills
>>Monarchs...or weakens them so much that they become ineffective breeding
>>stock...so in effect parasites also restrict species reproduction.......so
>>the relationship is to the detriment of one of the species involved..as
>>
> does
> 
>>the certain death though Parasitoids.
>>
>>So I suppose there is also a line to be drawn between
>>disease...Virus/Bacteria...and disease...Parasite...(Protozoan) What do
>>
> you
> 
>>think? I think we can safely draw the line between all these and
>>Parasitoids!
>>
>>regards
>>Nigel
>>
>>
>>



 
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