An Apology Re: Brower replies- The most recent ranting about monarch butterfly conservation

Stanley A. Gorodenski stan_gorodenski at
Fri Oct 10 13:59:41 EDT 2003

I want to apologize to the members of this list (excluding Mr. Bordelon) 
for the last sentence of my post. This sentence may inflame Mr. Bordelon 
to further profanity and I am sure no one wants to read this stuff. I 
should not have written it. My only defense is that I fell victem to the 
profanity and  flame Mr. Bordelon was spouting. If Mr. Bordelon does 
reply, I will not respond which does not mean I agree with what he says. 
I will, though,  respond to any false science he may express in the 
future, but for now this thread is dead for me with regard to Mr. Bordelon.

Stanley A. Gorodenski wrote:

> I like your responses as well as this one. I am sure you know the 
> difference between a forecast (or projection) and an event. My 
> response was primarily for the educational benefit of Mr. Bordelon.
> Stan
> Paul Cherubini wrote:
>> Stanley A. Gorodenski wrote:
>>> You, or I, cannot forecast the economy of Mexico with 100%
>>> accuracy and so you cannot forecast the direction of logging and other
>>> destructive activities decades or a hundred or more years in the future
>>> with 100% accuracy no matter what your photographs may show.
>> Agreed, but in other parts of North American and the world, history
>> shows us that the logging that accompanies agricultural and
>> industrial development presents new opportunities as well as
>> potential problems for the monarch.   Along the California coast, for
>> example, development removed some of the native pine, oak
>> and sycamore overwintering habitats the monarchs had been
>> using for centuries.  However, new plantings of non-native
>> eucalyptus and other evergreen trees accompanied these same
>> developments and the monarchs switched over to these non-native
>> trees.  Humans also inadvertently introduced the monarch to Spain,
>> Australia and New Zealand during the late 19th century.  Guess
>> what happened?  The annual migration / overwintering phenomenon
>> became established in those areas of the world as well.  These
>> migrations are supported by non-native milkweeds that also became
>> introduced by accident. This is why biologists sometimes refer
>> to the monarch - including the migratory monarch - as a "weedy
>> opportunist".
>> Paul Cherubini
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